Violence arms itself with the inventions of Art and Science in order to contend against violence. Self- imposed restrictions, almost imperceptible and hardly worth mentioning, termed usages of International Law, accompany it without essentially impairing its power. Violence, that is to say, physical force (for there is no moral force without the conception of States and Law), is therefore the MEANS; the compulsory submission of the enemy to our will is the ultimate object. In order to attain this object fully, the enemy must be disarmed, and disarmament becomes therefore the immediate OBJECT of hostilities in theory. It takes the place of the final object, and puts it aside as something we can eliminate from our calculations.

Originally posted by links234
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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Has any of your research indicated how many people are killed by police in a given year as opposed to how many are killed by firearms not fired by police?

Why should gun control not be part of the discussion when 71 people were injured or killed by a weapon that was illegal to own eight years ago?

Originally posted by links234
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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Why should gun control not be part of the discussion when 71 people were injured or killed by a weapon that was illegal to own eight years ago?

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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When Rep. Giffords was shot, some used that issue.

The numerous slayings in Chicago are another examp- oops, they've banned guns there. Haven't they?

The blood wasn't even dry in the theatre when the gun control parasites started in.

They (certain aspects of the government) will always use events like these as a springboard to deny 2nd Amendment rights.

...and allow more people to carry weapons,

Originally posted by ImaFungi

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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When Rep. Giffords was shot, some used that issue.

The numerous slayings in Chicago are another examp- oops, they've banned guns there. Haven't they?

The blood wasn't even dry in the theatre when the gun control parasites started in.

They (certain aspects of the government) will always use events like these as a springboard to deny 2nd Amendment rights.

ok so say,,, we lay back on gun control,,, and allow more people to carry weapons,,,,, ten years later,,, either murder/crime by gun is relatively even,,, less,,, or more,,.,.,.

if the murder by gun rate goes up by a decent amount,,, do you suggest theres anything logical to do about it?

II. EFFECTS OF CONCEALED CARRY ON PUBLIC SAFETY
While there is disagreement over the benefits of carrying concealed weapons, many believe that robust concealed carry laws ultimately deter crime by making criminal acts much more risky and costly for potential law breakers. Statistics show a connection between concealed carry laws and a decrease in violent crime rates. The National Rifle Association estimates, based on data from the FBI's Annual Uniform Crime Report, that `right-to-carry' states (i.e., those that widely allow concealed carry) have 22 percent lower total violent crime rates, 30 percent lower murder rates, 46 percent lower robbery rates, and 12 percent lower aggravated assault rates, as compared to the rest of the country.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by ImaFungi

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...and allow more people to carry weapons,

It isn't up to you or anyone else to "allow" the exercise of a right. I understand such a notion grates you and the nanny state advocates, and still, you nor anyone else has any purview of unalienable rights.

edit on 22-7-2012 by Jean Paul Zodeaux because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by ImaFungi

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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When Rep. Giffords was shot, some used that issue.

The numerous slayings in Chicago are another examp- oops, they've banned guns there. Haven't they?

The blood wasn't even dry in the theatre when the gun control parasites started in.

They (certain aspects of the government) will always use events like these as a springboard to deny 2nd Amendment rights.

ok so say,,, we lay back on gun control,,, and allow more people to carry weapons,,,,, ten years later,,, either murder/crime by gun is relatively even,,, less,,, or more,,.,.,.

if the murder by gun rate goes up by a decent amount,,, do you suggest theres anything logical to do about it?

Why wait 10 years?

II. EFFECTS OF CONCEALED CARRY ON PUBLIC SAFETY
While there is disagreement over the benefits of carrying concealed weapons, many believe that robust concealed carry laws ultimately deter crime by making criminal acts much more risky and costly for potential law breakers. Statistics show a connection between concealed carry laws and a decrease in violent crime rates. The National Rifle Association estimates, based on data from the FBI's Annual Uniform Crime Report, that `right-to-carry' states (i.e., those that widely allow concealed carry) have 22 percent lower total violent crime rates, 30 percent lower murder rates, 46 percent lower robbery rates, and 12 percent lower aggravated assault rates, as compared to the rest of the country.

thomas.loc.gov...

Originally posted by ImaFungi

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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When Rep. Giffords was shot, some used that issue.

The numerous slayings in Chicago are another examp- oops, they've banned guns there. Haven't they?

The blood wasn't even dry in the theatre when the gun control parasites started in.

They (certain aspects of the government) will always use events like these as a springboard to deny 2nd Amendment rights.

ok so say,,, we lay back on gun control,,, and allow more people to carry weapons,,,,, ten years later,,, either murder/crime by gun is relatively even,,, less,,, or more,,.,.,.

if the murder by gun rate goes up by a decent amount,,, do you suggest theres anything logical to do about it?