As a Denver/Aurora resident, I have a LOT to say about the shooting

Originally posted by muircertach
So many lies and ignorant claims in this thread.

Many people I work with have been affected by this. They had family/friends hurt and killed.

To read so many untrue and misleading statements about this event just makes me mad.

OP you claim to live here. You should be ashamed.

Why exactly should I be ashamed? I don't feel like raising questions about what happened is anything to be ashamed of. To think that this incident was random is rather ignorant. I want to know WHY and HOW this happened. Yes, it is an awful tragedy. No doubt. It has been horrible on the community. But absolutely nothing about it is making sense. At all. It makes me so angry on so many levels that things like this happen in our world. Whether he was just some guy who managed to obtain weapons and he went off the deep end, or if this was some sort of planned event. Either way, our world is clearly unsafe and it's scary. We can't do a whole lot about it, but we CAN ask questions and seek answers.

Originally posted by PassedKarma


Third. The door he supposedly "kicked in". Those doors DEFINITELY have an alarm that goes off when you open them. I'm thinking he must have had some sort of inside connection with a staff member. Or more.
I was there back in May and the power went out during a thunderstorm. A lady freaked out and went out the emergency exit and an alarm went off.
Of course I always account for things like...maybe SOME don't have alarms. Maybe the alarm turns on as a security feature when the power goes out.
But that's unlikely. Especially because of the security I mentioned above.
(I can't work the media right on here and if someone wants to put up a picture of the door in question, feel free!)

As a theater manager with 6 years experiance, i can tell you now that their was NO way for that theater to ever be secure enough for a lone individual with an intent to harm to be stopped. the alarms are turned off during operation hours on back doors out of the theaters to prevent some kids from doing exactly what that guy did, do you really want an alarm going off in the middle of your movie cause some kids went out it? an yes they would do that on purpose just to ruin your movie.

2ndly.. the police, fbi, or what ever organization you want to believe in can not stop a lone individual unless he triggers a flag that says "notice me" ..their was no one that knew. no one that the shooter told, their was no plot by crazed terrorist for someone to squeal on or inform.. this was one individual that planned, and executed a horrendous act and their is nothing to stop it from happening again.

as bad as this was.. their really was no way to stop it once the shooter executed his plan. outside of another armed individual inside the theater.. but im not going to get into a discussion over gun control.

i will say this.. he was not "trained" for this. his semi auto jammed according to the police cause he didnt know it would do it if fired that fast or how to fix it if it did. ive seen peoeple say how could he afford this stuff.. credit cards (next semesters tuition check?) would be my first guess.. i would expect that the bills are laying in the apartment unpaid. nothing he bought was illegal and he bought them in a diverse set of locations avoiding any outright suspicions (which suggest more than just heat of the moment planning) he was very intelligent and i dont see anything that suggests a conspiracy.

Originally posted by texasgirl

Originally posted by PassedKarma
reply to post by bluemirage5

 

I'm not 100% sure how long it "officially" took for emergency responders to arrive. Some news sources said only 30 seconds (WHAT?!) and then others have said 3 minutes.

I heard 90 seconds because they were so close to the theater. It's still odd, considering here in Dallas we had a house fire just down the street from the fire station and it took them 10 minutes after the call to get there.

most theaters in large area's hire off duty police officers for the night shifts. so its not unreasonable for 1 or 2 officers to be in the area .. a quick response would not be unreasonable.

Originally posted by PassedKarma
I also noticed that the day of the shooting, Buckley Air force Base was much busier than usual. A lot of jets at high altitude, not during their regular times. They usually fly at 11am and 2pm, very low to the ground. And only 3-4 jets at a time. There were probably 8-10 circling around the area. Buckley is 3 miles from the Aurora mall.

Very curious coincidence. Maybe this shooting was all a diversion to direct the public attention away from whatever military operational preparations were going on at the time. Now the news media is flooded with stories about the shooter, and everything else is being ignored. Typical of "misdirection" operational procedures, to enable secret activities to proceed unnoticed. I think everyone should ignore this shooter story and focus on what's being hidden behind it. Look where they don't want you to look. They want you to be looking and thinking about James Holmes. He is not the important thing going on here.

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I'm not one for debating. It's a useless waste of time unless someone has solid evidence either way. Even then... there's always room for speculation.
I have no reason to make anything up. I have tons of questions about what happened. I'm not claiming to be a survivor or victim. People can not believe my statements about my weird intuition and they don't have to believe what I saw driving on 225 regarding Buckley, but my questioning this event is valid.
It is nice to have accounts from several people about events. Then others can come to their own conclusions. I know what I saw and you know what you saw (or didn't see). But like I said, I do appreciate your input. I was just speculating on things I thought were out of the ordinary. It is somewhat comforting to know that nothing was out of the ordinary at Buckley that day.

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Because you are just making up things that happened here.

But I will not bring it up again.

Sorry but that guys blog is about as sensationalist as it gets. In all of those recordings there is nothing that leads anyone to believe that it was a staged operation.I think the author doesn't understand the true context of the world "staged" "stage" in an operational environment. This does not mean that it was faked, or some kind of theatrical production.

Definitely some weird things happening thought


- Reports of two suspects fleeing wearing backpacks
- Reports of three people dragging an unknown person into nondescript vehicle
- A directive was given that injured and witnesses were not to be taken by ambulance, that they were to remain in he theatre till transport arrived. Why no ambulances? So they didn't talk about what they saw ? So it would be easier to contain the numbers of casualties and injured?
- An arrant open door at the mall in the food court? Possibly Holmes accomplice?

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Originally posted by LOVE444
Great post...Good to hear an account from someone 5 minutes from where it happened. But I have something interesting I want you guys to take a look at. I found this on another website about the police radios before it all went down. Not stating anything but you should look into it.....


educate-yourself.org...

I'd like to add something to this whole case..

3 minutes into this video it shows the fields he was studying
Temporal illusions
Under Dr terrence sejnowski
abcnews.go.com...

A quick search for his name and top link is this

www.salk.edu...

Its his professional profile

at the bottom of that page it talks about his research (surely what the killer would have been learning)

"This knowledge ultimately may provide medical specialists with critical clues to combating Alzheimer's disease and other disorders that rob people of the critical ability to remember faces, names, places and events. "


Anyone else feel weird about that?

Originally posted by roadgravel
reply to post by ElohimJD

 

In the other thread you posted

posted on 7/20/2012 @ 09:09
Hey all,

My mom hasn't been able to stop working yet, but she is finalizing her statement now and should be able to get some sleep.

posted on 7/20/2012 @ 11:22

My mother in law helped pull 12 dead bodies out of the theatre, your hope for 11 to tie this to the illuminiati will have to wait.

She is doing paper work at 8:00 local
So either more than 10 people were dead in the theater and bodies were removed before friday evening

or

this is not true.

Correct.

Her quote to me was, "I showed up 14 minutes after shoots were fired, just in time to begin pulling bodies out of there."

Of course now that I have had a few days to allow my senses to return to normal, this statement doesn't say dead bodies, only bodies, which could mean wounded I suppose, though the way she said it indicated dead at least to me in the morning after the event.

She did confirm to me 12 dead, the EMTs declaired them dead on arrival, but the removal of the dead may not have occured before she was finished filling out paperwork, and the "bodies" she was describing to me were wounded needing medical help and not dead bodies.

Sorry for any confusion I may have caused. The key points to this are 12 dead according to declarations of EMTs and the APD first responders arrived 14 minutes after the first shot. My misunderstanding "bodies" is what may result in confussion, again I am sorry for that.

God Bless,

I have a couple of questions,

Why does everybody feel the need to make sense out of a random event?
Anyone who was not born yesterday should have leaned that in life sometimes very bad things happen and there is no rational explanation for it.

Sometimes bad things happen & evil people do terrible things. PERIOD!

There is no way to justify it, there is no way to keep it from happening again, there is no way to predict it, there is no way to rationalize it.

Random evil in a chaotic world.

People who think there is a conspiracy behind everything either:
A. Doesn't understand how the world works.....or
B. needs to get a life and get out there more.

Originally posted by mwood
I have a couple of questions,

Why does everybody feel the need to make sense out of a random event?

not everyone thinks its a "random" event......

peace

reply to post by mwood


Maybe the reason people try to make sense of it is because people do not always dress up and shoot people
in cinema's, especially guys who study high end brain tech for 6 years.

When unusual things happen, people will talk. Welcome to the internet,

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Buckley was doing a lot in support of fighting the big wildfires. www.buckley.af.mil...

Originally posted by trig_grl
This is interesting....

Columbine and Aurora Both happened on the 20th of the month.

4th month and 7th month aka 4 + 7 = 11

Illuminati hit

7/20 aka 7 + 2 + 0 = 9

11th year since 9/11

911

So, does this explain why I keep seeing the number 11 everywhere for the past several years? Actually, I keep seeing 11:11 or 11-11, 1111...

Originally posted by McTurbo

Originally posted by texasgirl

Originally posted by PassedKarma
reply to post by bluemirage5

 

I'm not 100% sure how long it "officially" took for emergency responders to arrive. Some news sources said only 30 seconds (WHAT?!) and then others have said 3 minutes.

I heard 90 seconds because they were so close to the theater. It's still odd, considering here in Dallas we had a house fire just down the street from the fire station and it took them 10 minutes after the call to get there.

most theaters in large area's hire off duty police officers for the night shifts. so its not unreasonable for 1 or 2 officers to be in the area .. a quick response would not be unreasonable.

But I heard they didn't have any security at that theater the night it happened. Maybe I'm wrong?

reply to post by mwood

Originally posted by mwood
Why does everybody feel the need to make sense out of a random event?

That's human nature. We want to attribute the event to something in order to avoid that kind of thing in the future. It's just the way we work. It's not until we think logically that we can accept that it was just a loser not-job with his own motivations. I frankly don't care what they were.

I was surfing channels this afternoon and saw a man who was inside the theater during the shooting - giving an interview. He said before the film started, he saw a man (with a goatee) come in and sit in the front row far right and this man receives a phone call, after which he headed to the emergency exit in that corner of the theater and opened the door. Shortly afterward, the shooter started his rampage...

Looks like there may have been an accomplice after all.

Originally posted by mwood
Why does everybody feel the need to make sense out of a random event?

Don't worry about it. These posts are all random too. Just enjoy the ride.

MK Ultra blah blah. The fact is there are a lot of crazy assholes in this world that work their entire lives toward one end and the only thing that they deserve is a bullet to the head. What I find hard to believe is that every day some poor sap catches a slug from a cop for no aparent reason but these SOB's get a warm meal and a cell. If the people of Aurora want to affect real change march down town and drag this waste into the street then hang him from the closest tree. Conspiricy my ass, what we need in this world is a little more John Wayne and a little less Alex Jones.Conspiricy allows you the freedom to feel free from any responsibilities for taking action in your own world. Stop hiding behing your keyboards and take a stand to BE a man who protects his family and stands for what is right.

reply to post by PassedKarma

Ok, but what's the point? What are u trying to say here? It was some sort of conspiracy? Some sinister plot to test movie security? I guess I don't get your point.

Newbie here, but this is a very interesting forum so I thought I chime in. First of all, I'm a Colorado native and live about 10 miles from the Century 16 Theater. I was also in College about 40 miles away from Columbine when that happened. Its all very surreal to be going through this again, but so much of the same stuff is going on...lots of false information out there and a lot of unecessary illogical things being said to try and explain it away. Having been through this twice I can say with absolute certianty that the various witnesses and victims of this horrible incident no doubt were traumatized beyond belief and that being said surely were not in their right state of mind. There have been studies upon studies about how people in absolute calm situation will see different things given their POV for various reasons. I'm not saying anyone is lying that was there, but I am saying that we need to make sure we remember that based on the situation not one of us can expect any of them to be crystal clear on all the details and should expect variances on their POV...for example, the alleged white and blue accomplice could have been due to confusion.

When this happened, I was 800 miles away in San Diego and unexpectedly woke up around 1 am MST, could not go back to sleep, turned on the TV and saw this breaking news. To be honest, the fact it was in Aurora (and well before we knew the extent of the situation) my husband and I tounge in cheek said we couldn't believe it happened in Aurora. For those that don't know the area its...well, lets just say more prone to crime and stupidity.

After watching for a few minutes and seeing the extent of the carnage I tuned into Aurora on my police scanner to listen in.

I listened until about 5 am MST - it was during a shift change I finally got offline - and I can tell you for a fact that the Aurora PD was coordinating a sweep of the entire Aurora mall across from the movie theater. I wondered for a long time why if they were so certian he acted alone. They were doing this with help from Arapahoe County, Adams County and Jeffco K-9 units which struck me as particularly odd because though I'm by no means an law enforcement tactical expert, I'm pretty sure that those dogs are used to look for drugs, bombs and PEOPLE and by this time the suspect had been in custody for well over four hours.

I can also tell you that at around 4 am MST Aurora dispatch was looking for any Englewood officers on scene and said she had information she was going to call the officers with as she did not want to release the information over the air. Another odd moment.

My final thought I will leave this board with is regarding the rear of the theather, the gas mask and the lack of CCTV footage released to date. First of all, it is entirely possible that the suspect was walked from the rear entrance to the side of the theater an put into a marked car at that point. Secondly, it has been documented on various sites that there were calls to dispatch that officers asked for rescue at the back of the theater for casualties, that could easily explain the blood out the back door and the foot prints towards the curb. Lastly, none of us are are entitiled to see that CCTV footage as it was and no doubt remains part of an active investigation. We are free to speculate, but just because we saw the Zimmerman footage early on doesn't mean anything other than Aurora is doing thier job better than Sanford did.

TLDR: I live in Colorado, I listened to the police scanner on Friday morning and heard some interesting things and we aren't necessarily entitled to review the crime evidence in this case at this point.