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posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 12:56 AM
reply to post by aquinas74

Communism is a higher stage of socialism that comes after the whole "public safety" and government run business/buisness run government phase degrades into the "nanny state" and "everyone should be equal" phase. We're headed to the commie side, owned by various corporate interests who bid on politicians with donations and "gifts."

They are indeed related, not necessarily the same, but the same blood runs through both.
edit on 22-7-2012 by joesomebody because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 01:02 AM
reply to post by joesomebody

Socialism is an ideology

A Communist government can use some of that ideology just like any other form of government. Just like the U.S.A did with the bail outs.

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 02:17 AM
reply to post by joesomebody

Public roads, public schools, and public libraries are all socialist programs.

I hope you don't like any of them either unless you are some kind of commie pinko hypocrite.

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 02:21 AM
Most Americans are fed up, at the end of the rope and we're mad as hell. We have been pushed, hoodwinked, lied to, and been the subject of underhanded tactics. Washington KNOWS, that's why they're trying to do everything behind our backs, slip things thru in the middle of the night, and smile and tell us every thing's just fine. BULL! If you're not happy with the existing system, change it, GET OUT AND VOTE.

We can discuss other options if something happens with the vote........ Semper Fi

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 02:28 AM
reply to post by SG-17

Public roads.....
Full of potholes, constant fixing going on.

Public schools.....
Crap, our education has slipped bigtime.

Public libraries....
Outdated, there are better sources on the net to get information.

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 02:39 AM
reply to post by pistolerooo

BULL! If you're not happy with the existing system, change it, GET OUT AND VOTE.

News flash.........

Voting does not work in todays political arena.

Hello, I would think that everyone would see that.

The two party system is a scandal.

Vote for who, for what? I believe that in the current system and way of things today, it really does not matter who is in office, as long as corporations are funneling money into congress.

These days there is a little more to it than get out and vote. Did GW fix anything, how about Obama?

When was the last time we could sit back and go,"you know, things are really nice around here"?

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 02:53 AM

Originally posted by aquinas74
reply to post by joesomebody

Socialism is NOT communism.

They do share two common characteristics though...

They both suck and neither have a place in the US of A.

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 12:45 PM
reply to post by seabag

This is what the problem is. Socialism has no place in America?
Capitalism and money hungry corporations is what got us in this horrible mess we are in by the way.
If you associate socialism with communism, like most of uneducated people or people who never took the time to read books about sociology, than of course it is not good for America.

America was founded on Christian and social values. To be a real patriot is not about owning gun and shoot anyone that dares step on your property. To be an American is also to seek the pursuit of happiness and social justice for all.

You hate socialism and you have the right too. But at least get informed on the subject. Socialism allows one to work hard and profit from his hard work just like capitalism. Unless you are part of the elite i just don't understand how you would want an America without social justice and values.

But this is the best trick of this oligarchic rotten system. It brainwashes people like you to think that socialism is communism and that life as you know it will forever change if it ever replaces capitalism.

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 02:03 PM

Originally posted by TechUnique
I can honestly see armed conflict in the US within a year or 2.

I don't. The majority of the people I've run across in my lifetime are too complacent, and the one's who aren't are too divided about WHY they need to fight that they won't get anything done.

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 05:40 PM
Reply to Morder1(and the rest come easy?)

Here is a grain of hope.
Most machine shops could mass produce fully automatic weapons on a whim.
The 50 cal Barrett, the ever popular Minigun (rotary cannon), casings for grenades, mines, and tubes and shells for rocket launchers.
Any student of chemistry could produce area denial weaponry (gas and biological agents).
Missiles aren't hard to build, and guidance systems are easy to copy, after all, BILL CLINTONG gave our guidance system to the Chinese, the Chinese gave it's findable.
Standoff methods of killing the enemy armies are well understood, but I'm not going to mention can guess why.
Yes many people have buried their military type weapons in plastic tubes, usually under some large metalic object...magnetometer sanitation isn't hard to achieve.
How about a midnight flight of a crop duster with PCP and '___' in the spray tank?
Or Ricin in Dimethylsulphoxide coated beer bottles in the liquor stores in areas which have been evacuated by "we the people"?
ULF to disrupt nervous system functions and cause heart failure?
There are just so many ways to kill enemies it seems like anybody stupid enough to declare war on the people would understand that we will strip their skin off in 1inch strips, right after they watch us slowly torture their families to death.
War is a nasty business, I've been there and done that, psychological warfare is easy to wage, especially here...ever see what a rock slide of boulders wieghing over 100 tons does to an armoured column?
Bridges fall down, dams break right on cue, electricity? No problem! have a tretagillion volts, delivered on rain or fog, or by wire...wire trailing a remote control 172...
Then there are the cattle stampedes across a battle line, the 55 gallon fleshette and ball bearing launchers that look like roadside trash cans.
Back in 1993 I posted instructions on how to construct a small but incredibly dirty nuke, yeah, I got a visit, then I showed them my reference books...guess they have to kill the library of congress.
Tensed cable can be released to whip through an infantry unit, chopping them off at the knees for extra horror, we have bears and mountain lions here...and the estrus of both is easy to obtain....ever see a soldier fight off a horny bear or mountain lion? They don't like getting no for an answer, especially if released in the dead of night...HALT WHO GOES THERE? It's me baby...Yogi and Booboo wants seconds! We have guys up here who build catapults which launch mid 60's buicks, hope they brought their catchers mitts. about 50 bucks is enough to outfit a steam roller with simple remote control, they do a wonderful job of pressing those wrinkled uniforms. Pit bull mastif mixes in attack mode? Hard to sight in say 50 of them who have been fed on enemy body parts for a few weeks. Greek fire? Can Do! collapsing roads and bridges? Amazingly simple. Dug in firing positions? Tunnels, blinding light? Exploding houses? falling trees, exploding fuel tanks on abandoned cars, crossbow attacks starting on the last man marching and working toward the leader...golly, that platoon will feed the bears and dogs real well. CS gas released in multiton quantities? It's very easy to do, and if it hits you and you pull on your gas mask, guess what? It burns through your skin too! Under internal attack we have no Geneva conventions to worry us so enemy troops will be hanging from the trees like christmas ornaments. Punji sticks and dead falls? Venemous snakes suspended at shoulder level by fish hooks and trilene...oh yeah. Gangs of Razorback hogs? More deadly than an army, they don't stop attacking period. Climb a tree, they'll chew it down to get you. write to Kurt Saxon, he is a genius when it comes to improvised weaponry to deal with superior numbers...if Kurt ain't feeling good talk to Kerry. It is possible to kill an enemy every time they take a step, see that guy standing by the corpses of his buddies? Great, let's smear him with axle grease and gasoline and let him run back to the formation...kinda makes em wanna go home. Remember, a quick kill is for hunting, slow with lots of screaming is for war. poison water, bubonic K-rations, oh, MRE's nowdays, crucified LAARP found still kicking with their eyeballs hanging from their cheeks, with John Bobbet trinkets dangling from their anuses (super glue!) swarms of steel plated diesel trucks and dozers, PLUS don't just wait for them, take the fight to their homes while they try to fight somewhere else, loud speakers of wives and children being slowly murdered as our DJ announces which neighborhood these 300 came from, then catapult the heads of their families into their midst...terror is a very good weapon of war, not the penny ante shooting of a couple of dozen people at McDonalds, give em something that breaks their will to fight, then announce amnesty if they kill their leaders and leave at once for home, leaving all weapons and ammo.FIGHT!
edit on 22-7-2012 by Luminaught because: Forgot to mention high pressure delivery of Aqua regea, watch em melt!

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 05:45 PM
reply to post by Luminaught

I like the way you think.

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 05:49 PM
reply to post by Luminaught

I hope you are first person I meet if the SHTF.

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 06:41 PM
Reply to TKDRL: I never did like bullies and the NWO/PTWB seem a lot like bullies to me, the last few psy-ops they pulled spoke louder than words. Satan Clause is making a list and checking it twice, he will know just who has been naughty and who has been nice. If somebody wants a war here all they have to do is start putting our people in those FEMA camps, you know, the ones with 100,000"coffin liners". I think they under estimate the ability of We
The People to water the tree of liberty with the blood of enemies of the people. If they don't start doing the will of the people, and soon, they may wind up having a very bad hair spray=napalm, a deserving surprise for those who are hiding out in the rear. Never attack the front first, kill the head of the snake and make fajitas out of the rest.
Semper Fi!

edit on 22-7-2012 by Luminaught because: I'm simple minded?

edit on 22-7-2012 by Luminaught because: Uh....the ever elusive E?

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 06:52 PM
I think people are getting a little crazy on this civil war idea. You can actually see it trending with so much mention of the first civil war spreading, people discussing it.

The fact is, we aren't there yet, nor do we need to be. We actually still have power, believe it or not. What we need to be worrying about more than "armed conflict" is weening people off of the biased, manipulative, propaganda news and pushing candidates like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. We still have power, it is just undermined by this MASSIVE block of ignorant voters. If half of them woke up and supported liberty and libertarian ideas there would be no kicking it under the rug, no amount of voter fraud could stop it.

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 06:59 PM
Reply to yourmaker:
Thanks! It's always nice to meet new friends! We will always welcome folks seeking shelter from the storm. Families will never be turned away should a conflict arise, whether you are in good enough shape to fight or not, there are lots of support positions which are as vital as any other person in a guerrilla war of resistance, after all in Nam Jim Euell (I always mispell his last name) just sang songs he wrote about being in country, he mattered, but as far as I know he was never frontline, just let us know he gave a dayum. Kids need teachers, fighters need fed, even though I was taught that if you are hungry, kill a guy with a lunch bucket(or a big leaf wrapped around fish and what charlie eats and he can't smell you unless you smoke tobacco...we found other things to smoke, though they cannot be mentioned here...and of course I'd NEVER bend a rule)
I hope if TSHTF you do find your way here...keep a shortwave handy if the clouds start gathering...well work out meetups, not where we are, but where we can come get you and bring you in, turn the knob every time you lose us as we might be jumping freqs...I have an old prick 10 that still works great!
Semper Fi
Till I die

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 07:04 PM
Perhaps you guys need to take off your tin-foil hats, and realize that if the founding fathers knew that in a few hundred years this nation would have B-2 bombers, Apache Helicopters and Fighter jets capable of traveling 2,000 MPH then the 2nd amendment would have never been created.

The 2nd Amendment was created because the founding fathers feared that in a few years another invasion would take place and it was a real possibility back then. You guys are preparing against an invasion that will never happen.

Stop accusing people of being Communists just because they don't have the same irrational fears that you do. I like guns, I'm not afraid of them and I've fired quite a few in my lifetime. But I've never felt the urge to carry one around all the time

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 07:13 PM
reply to post by muse7

The 2nd would have been created, and expanded to include all the new military toys out there....

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 07:52 PM
It wouldn't be a civil war, the states would be united against a common enemy. We would utilize guerrilla tactics.
Most of us really hate the idea of war, most of us have been experienced as Hendrix said. War is the last measure a free country wants to host, but I and several others within my poker buddies have been to War College. My sons have been/are in the military, they would not disarm or fire on Americans, but would happily murder any SOB giving such an order. 18 years ago at 29 Palms they had a questionair about just that, most not only said no, they said HELL NO, and that includes D.I.s. The guys who checked that they would and let it slip got a blanket party. A USMC blanket party isn't going to serve refreshments, but there will be just deserts!
We are not a few, we are many, many more than any usurpers of our freedoms would be able to deal with, after all asymetric warfare is what they taught us, we just elaborated on it, kinda like this,Perchloric acid,is a super acid, it's PKa is 10. Dehydration of Perchloric Acid results in Dichlorine Heptoxide, any substance compounded using purified Perchloric acid must be created in vetro, under at least 3 atmospheres of vacuumn , as it attacks all organic matter, due to it's hygroscopic nature. The typical route to Perchloric so care must be taken if one wishes his Perchloric to serve some of it's more...ahem..."obscure functions". The Perchloric acid forms an azeotrope with water which is typically 70 to 85%, which is fairly stable at room temperature. However Anhydrous Perchloric forms a minimum of five Hydrates, a number of which form crystaline structures consisting of a Perchlorate Anion which will form bonds with H2O and H3O+ centers...the stuff likes Hydrogen.
Due to it's hygroscopic affinity it will if exposed to air take up 70 to 80% water, rendering it fairly safe in knowlegable hands.
However, Perchloric acid, dehydrated, forms Anhydride Dichlorine Heptoxide, which will turn into something quite vicious, this would be an Anhydride Dichlorine Heptoxide salt, abreviated as; 2 HCl04 +P4O10--->Cl2O7+"H2P4O11".
Now, if we bring NH4ClO4To the party we come up with 2NH4ClO4→ Cl2+N2 +N2 +2O2 +4H2O.
Don't try this in your basement, and if ya do don't say I put you up to it. You see, that last chemical formula is rocket fuel.
A class four oxidizer, ammonium Perchlorate can undergo an explosion at sizes over 15 micrometres, and is an explosive even when present in particles less than 15 micrometres much smaller.
So if you had Aqua Regea or Aqua Regent as it is called here, you could fill up a plastic syringe like you'd give a horse a shot with and melt anybody stupid enough to screw with a"harmless"old cat.
But, if you took one glass syringe full of Ammonium Perchlorate and duct taped a plastic syringe of anhydrous ammonia and epoxy hardener mixed in nitro methanol you could cause an adversary to explode...big yocks huh?
What you have in the ammonium Perchlorate is Rocket fuel which self detonates in a little under 10 seconds if mixed with the(thinned) epoxy hardener and nitro methanol. We are too old for a long battle so we will just have to kill em quicker. We older guys will be out front, we have about shot our wad already, and I'd rather die fighting than of say Zyclon B. Check Jesse Ventura on YouTube those FEMA camps have 100,00s of coffin liners, we doubt there will be that many of TPTWTB or NWO people to bury, in fact we'd just use Aqua Regea and melt em.
Wonder if Jim Euell will sing about it......
edit on 22-7-2012 by Luminaught because: SEMPER FI and never bow to an enemy. Tinfoil hat? Congrats numb nuts, now put on your rubber underwear, your crap is leaking out of your hot pants.

edit on 22-7-2012 by Luminaught because: Why not?

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 09:07 PM
No. The second amendment is specifically to tell the government that if they become unresponsive to the will of the people, we have THE RIGHT to remove them, by force if needed.
I was a Libertarian for over 35 years, we became Republicans because we DO have the numbers to elect our public servants.
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights is the ONLY contract the government has with the people, and as it stands they (the government) is in direct violation of that contract.
The first thing Obummer wanted to do was create a standing army within the states, this is a direct violation of our founding documents, it is treason.
Do you understand why we are a "bit upset" about the so called elections? Santorum didn't win Iowa, nor did Romney, or any one else but Ron Paul, get in touch with some precinct captains and find out. Voter fraud is an institution here in the states, some precincts "lost" ballot boxes, others REFUSED to follow the law and hold a public count of the votes.
Are you aware that the man who wrote the program for those voting machines has admitted they can easily be manipulated? Are you aware the electronic tallies won't even be done in this country?
NOW do you understand why we want a paper ballot with a copy staying with the voters?
Maybe you are 12 years old and learned all you think you need to know from watching TV, maybe you are just a moron who thinks tinfoil hat comments are edgy, you come off like a person who couldn't pass a 5th grade civics test from 1947.
Yes we are an armed people, and we will not be disarmed without a fight, and nobody wants that, but it is our RESPONSIBILITY, read the documents, those documents are the ONLY contract between We The People and our public servants. If the Bill of Rights and Constitution are null and void, we have no government.
Maybe you should READ the federalist papers and the Constitution and Bill of rights.
From your comments I doubt you have the mental capacity to understand what is plainly stated.
I'll proudly wear a tinfoil hat if you'll put your plastic underwear back on, the crap is leaking down your leg, and it stinks to high heaven. You are out of your depth, stay in the kiddie pool because you will drown beneath the idiocy you display. NOTE TO DARWIN: More Chlorine in the kiddie pool.

posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 11:19 PM
reply to post by Luminaught

I'm afraid not. It would be a civil war because the media would paint the people that initiated it as terrorists wanting to over throw the government and the people would be divided just like in the first civil war. Half the people would fight on the governments behalf. I am afraid the people that advocate this kind of action and yearn for it realize that they aren't going to be seen as hero saviours they will be painted as crazy conspiracy theorist rebels. That is why we need to use the political system against itself (as Ron Paul is trying to do) and fix things from the inside. In this modern age a rebellion here would be crushed. It might continue on underground for decades with attacks like in Ireland but as far as a war it would fail miserably.

That is why we have to come together and educate the masses and use politics to fix this country.

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