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Why Obama Does Not Have A Birth Certificate

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posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by longlostbrother
reply to post by kyviecaldges
 


Lol, there's some seriously twisted language in this post.

"Because it's an executive order it's obviously applicable."

Ahh poor you.

Listen, go do some proper research and then you'll see how many lies the freeman idiots have told you.

Start by googling Freeman debunked.

Check all the refernces both sides give you (don't claim you have already... Hahaha)

This is a very dopey and very easily debunked BS theory.


The only defense you have is an appeal to ridicule.
Yet another logical fallacy.

Your desperation is becoming more and more evident.




posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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reply to post by VeritasAequitas
 


I don't suppose you realise the Census Bureau is part of the Dept of Commerce.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Vital records is such a broad word, and includes contracts. Your birth certificate is a contract. When you register as a citizen, you are contracting to follow the rules, statues, and guidelines, of said citizen. They maintain all other Vital records except BC? Give me a break, well the DoC said it! Like the DoD and etc said Iraq has WMD?



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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Oh I do. However that isn't the same as the entire Department of Commerce. That is only one bureau.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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You only think it's my only argument because you've simply ignored the rest of them.

Anyone reading this thread will see how all of your ACTUAL theories have been shown to be false, how the sites you've copied them from are full of actual lies an how you actually refuse to go check links, or engage in an actual debate.

All of that deserves ridicule. So, ridicule you get.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by longlostbrother
 


Oh I do. However that isn't the same as the entire Department of Commerce. That is only one bureau.


So what's your claim then, that a department in the Department of Commerce is making up lies about the whole D of C.

And that the "vital records" (defined on the D of C website as "internal records") are actually people's birth certificate. Even though you have no evidence for that.

That's your claim yes?

Sounds likely.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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en.wikipedia.org...




Article III, Section 2 of the United States Constitution grants original jurisdiction to U.S. federal courts over admiralty and maritime matters, however that jurisdiction is not exclusive and most maritime cases can be heard in either state or federal courts under the "saving to suitors" clause.[8] There are five types of cases which can only be brought in federal court: Limitation of Shipowner's Liability, Vessel Arrests in Rem, Property arrests Quasi in Rem, Salvage cases, and Petitory and Possession Actions.


en.wikipedia.org...

In the American legal system the state can assert power over an individual simply based on the fact that this individual has property (bank account, debt, share of stock, land) in the state.

Now let's discuss something. Are you aware of what the word State means? It comes from Estate.

www.thefreedictionary.com...



Estate: A large piece of landed property, esp in the country.
The whole of one's possessions, especially all the property and debts l


Now when you take this and add OF after it you are denoting ownership of it. Example being.

Estate OF Hawaii

Law Offices OF Bart Durham

Property OF John Doe.


So when you state yourself as a citizen OF Hawaii, you are denoting yourself as the said property. This is exactly why the Constitution was changed to resemble The United States OF America, instead of the United States FOR America. America became a corporation, and the estates became the property of that said corporation. Us being citizens OF those estates makes us property OF the US Government.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Wikipedia is full of lies? O_O



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by longlostbrother
 

Wikipedia is full of lies? O_O


VeritasAequitas .........YES - WikiPedia is by definition a lie - per se (in and of itself). .......Just as the rest of the internet it is owned and operated by the Zio/Jewish cabal - They have total edting and posting control of ALL ENTRIES.........Anyone quoting from Wiki is a moron.

All monies that flow in or out of the internet are under Jewish.Zionist control.........Paypal - Ebay - Amazon.com - anthe list goes on and on...............

All social networking sites aka - CIA/SPY operations - are owned and controlled by the ZIO/Jewish cabal.
Myspace - FarceBook and all the rest of them.........

All major earch engines - aka CIA/SPY operations are owned and operated by this conspiracy........JEWgle - YaJEW - ALL OF IT................

Anyone here who disagrees - I'll back up every one of my contentious contentions.............BUT I REFUSE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK FOR YOU !!! Jewgle it

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posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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I was saying that more along the lines of him accusing all my links of lies..I thought wikipedia was an acceptable source to people like him



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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worst.argument.ever



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Vitruvian
 


I was saying that more along the lines of him accusing all my links of lies..I thought wikipedia was an acceptable source to people like him


Right.........and please don't misunderstand - I'm with you on all of this....And I knew what you meant - my criticisms were for guys like longlostbrother


Keep up the excellent work BTW
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posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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the whole arguement of a valid 'birth certificate' or a 'certificate of live birth' is moot


Barack or Barry, as the case may be... was birthed by an American citizen birth-mother
who chose (at the time of birth) to not have a 'official document' made about the child...

She determined what identity the child took... and for a time selected the Barack Hussein personna
because it would have afforded the child the vast landscape of 'additional' opportunities which
common 'black' families/households did not have access to....consider the civil-rights movement et al...
the whole American system could be 'gamed/played' to her households desire


the youthful Obama then gravitated with & towards the old '60s radicals/revolutionaries and was imbibed with Marxism and the evolved radical-revolutionary ideals of the former weather-underground radicals from the late '60s-erly '70s

from what i read/heard the Ayers' took Barack as a 'Ward' and paid his way thru a 'Harvard' degree
so as to make the young man a viable commodity on the social stage...the guy owes his fortune to a 'affirmative action' era in America and the mentorship of anti-constitutionalist socialists/progressives intent on destroying the government of the USA... (imho)


edit on 23-7-2012 by St Udio because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Only to wannabes who don't understand the difference in law definitions and regular definition.

Understand : Comprehend

Law definition; Understand : To stand under or lower ones self. Keep digging your whole deeper. You are only proving you don't understand the half of what you read and are just trying to find any safety net you can to confirm what you don't want to be true.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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I have found a pdf explaining the nature of the artificial person represented by the ALL CAPS legal fiction Nom de Guerre.

Here is a link to the pdf.

I don't expect the folks who seem dead set on arguing against us Veritas to actually read it so I am reading it and I will offer my summary and I would be interested to know what you think of it as well.

I have skimmed the material and it seems on the money.

But like all of our evidence Veritas... They will simply look at it and reply with something absurd like "I don't believe in logic".

Anyhoo.
Enjoy!



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by St Udiothe whole arguement of a valid 'birth certificate' or a 'certificate of live birth' is mootBarack or Barry, as the case may be... was birthed by an American citizen birth-mother who chose (at the time of birth) to not have a 'official document' made about the child...She determined what identity the child took... and for a time selected the Barack Hussein personna because it would have afforded the child the vast landscape of 'additional' opportunities which common 'black' families/households did not have access to....consider the civil-rights movement et al...the whole American system could be 'gamed/played' to her households desire the youthful Obama then gravitated with & towards the old '60s radicals/revolutionaries and was imbibed with Marxism and the evolved radical-revolutionary ideals of the former weather-underground radicals from the late '60s-erly '70s from what i read/heard the Ayers' took Barack as a 'Ward' and paid his way thru a 'Harvard' degree so as to make the young man a viable commodity on the social stage...the guy owes his fortune to a 'affirmative action' era in America and the mentorship of anti-constitutionalist socialists/progressives intent on destroying the government of the USA... (imho)


St Udio........Fairly good analysis, most of which I agree with although I would liked to have seen more about Obama's "wicked" mother Stanley Dunham (Soetoro), and Lolo Soetoro her husband - and especially her role as a CIA operative and as an "archeologist" (code word for CIA operative) working for them in the jungles of Indonesia going to the small villages and "turning in" thousands of the native population for purposes of elimination and or re-education as they had been condemned as so-called enemies of the new Suharto regime following the overthrow of Sukarno by Suharto for whom Obama's mother and her husband worked. Her role was as a spy for the CIA and for the Suharto government, and Lolo Soetoro's role was as a military commander and personal friend to Suharto. He was a colonel in the Indonesian armed forces and worked for the CIA-installed dictator, General Suharto, from 1965, after returning to Indonesia on behalf of the CIA.

Obama was raised in the palace of Suharto (during his most formative years) who personally took Obama under his wing and tutored him and nurtured him in the ways of "governing."

For some legit (with no mention of any of the above) historical background please see here.......Overthrow of Sukarno
The United States and the Overthrow of Sukarno, 1965-1967
Peter Dale Scott

SEE HERE for the real story.........
Obama's CIA "Mommy Dearest" — identifying Indonesians for assassination

Opening paragraph..........President Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, worked in Indonesia for a U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) embassy cover operation that helped identify some 5000 key members of the Indonesian Communist Party — Partai Komunis Indonesia(PKI) that were targeted for assassination by Indonesian armed forces units, of which her husband and President Obama's step-father, Lolo Soetoro, was a participant. The 5000 targets' names appeared in what was called by the CIA "the shooting list."

This article is from Pacific Affairs, 58, Summer 1985, pages 239-264. Peter Dale Scott is a professor of English at the University of California in Berkeley, and a member of the advisory board at Public Information Research.


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posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 02:35 AM
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As far as I can tell nothing Wayne Madsen says is in fact backed up by the article you say it's from, namely:

www.namebase.org...

Wayne Madson is NOT a trustworthy source.
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posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by longlostbrotherreply to post by Vitruvian
 
As far as I can tell nothing Wayne Madsen says is in fact backed up by the article you say it's from, namely:
www.namebase.org... Madson is NOT a trustworthy source.


longlostbrother continues to blow hot air into this thread, which by the way is wandering off topic so all future posts regarding this particular subject matter i.e., the CIA connections to Barack Obama and his entire family might best be entered into its own separate thread. Thank you...........V.

Incidentally - The source for the subject matter of my posted response to St Udio is ME. Those are my my conclusions based on several years of extensive internet research into the matter of the fictional - but nonetheless extremely nefarious - CIA connected family of Barack Omama. I included the other links at the end of my post only as references to further substantiate the valid content of the post. There is much more to be found on the internet as regards the CIA connections to the entire Obama family and step family.

Wayne Madsen's extensive credentials as an investigative journalist not to mention his extensive internet presence.

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, author and political and national security commentator for Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, and MS-NBC. As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security programs for the U.S. Navy. He subsequently worked for the National Security Agency, the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation, and Computer Sciences Corporation. Madsen is a member of the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ), Association for Intelligence Officers.

PS: For a more in depth account of the total CIA corruption of the Obama "familia" - Go Here to the Lew Rockwell.com website
The Story of Obama: All in the Company - by Wayne Madsen

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posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 06:48 AM
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Apparently to guys like him; Only corrupted government officials can be responsible for telling us the truth.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 07:13 AM
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But they magically become honest when under oath... yeah, we know...

And it's more likely that the entire state government of multiple states is lying than the alternative, Obama's birth cert is real...



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