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Originally posted by dplum517
reply to post by Thorazine
contrails often persist and spread and can cover the sky in haze of cirrus cloud...? So, how can you tell the difference
Prove it.
Originally posted by Thorazine
Originally posted by dplum517
reply to post by Thorazine
contrails often persist and spread and can cover the sky in haze of cirrus cloud...? So, how can you tell the difference
Prove it.
I trust (hope) you do not find decades of scientific research "nonsense" ??
for example- read this paper from 1972- Right the first paragraph it says:
"...and entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours.."
ciresweb.colorado.edu...
That is but one of 100s written in the last 40yrs that clearly identify and explain how contrails often persist, spread and cover the sky: have a look a wealth of information regarding this topic:
scholar.google.com...
Contrails can and often do persist, spread and cover the sky in a haze of cirrus clouds...its called "contrail cirrus"- research that term..
Is that enough proof?
That is but one of 100s written in the last 40yrs that clearly identify and explain how contrails often persist, spread and cover the sky: have a look a wealth of information regarding this topic:
Also.... the studies may use the word "persist" but they aren't using adjectives like "hazy" "blankets they sky" "spreads out"
The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.
I don't ignore they many patents on devices that release aerosols into the atmosphere
Originally posted by dplum517
reply to post by Thorazine
That is but one of 100s written in the last 40yrs that clearly identify and explain how contrails often persist, spread and cover the sky: have a look a wealth of information regarding this topic:
I have read the Colorado University study before but not your second link.
This is one of many papers (i doubt hundreds) that has studied contrails ..... a lot of studies done after the CU one seem to leech off of the original Colorado study.
Also.... the studies may use the word "persist" but they aren't using adjectives like "hazy" "blankets they sky" "spreads out"
Unlike a lot of posters in this forum ..... I look at both sides of what is happening.
- I don't ignore they many patents on devices that release aerosols into the atmosphere
- I don't ignore the fact that many of these patents are owned by major Defense Contractors/Airlines
- I don't ignore the real time activity in the sky on certain days
- I don't ignore people's observations just because they don't hold a degree in science
- I don't ignore where the money goes to in the Geo-Engineering industry from people like Bill Gates
- I don't ignore the methods "suggested" by geo-engineers to mitigate Solar Radiation
- Most of all .... I don't ignore my gut instinct and use of logic even though shills (not referring to you) tell me to
So, on that note... we'll have to agree to disagree on the whole "contrails spreading out covering the entire sky" thing.edit on 23-7-2012 by dplum517 because: (no reason given)edit on 23-7-2012 by dplum517 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dplum517
Unlike a lot of posters in this forum ..... I look at both sides of what is happening.
- I don't ignore they many patents on devices that release aerosols into the atmosphere
- I don't ignore the fact that many of these patents are owned by major Defense Contractors/Airlines
- I don't ignore the real time activity in the sky on certain days
- I don't ignore people's observations just because they don't hold a degree in science
- I don't ignore where the money goes to in the Geo-Engineering industry from people like Bill Gates
- I don't ignore the methods "suggested" by geo-engineers to mitigate Solar Radiation
- Most of all .... I don't ignore my gut instinct and use of logic even though shills (not referring to you) tell me to
You are simply in denial if you do not look at the scientific and historical data proving that contrails spread and can cover the sky in a haze of cirrus cloud. Seriously - here is yet another link to 100s of papers on "contrail cirrus"
Some of those patents describe the process and creating a trail behind a plane and even name the chemicals used ....... which match up almost exactly with what has been seen and tested.
Originally posted by dplum517
reply to post by Thorazine
You are simply in denial if you do not look at the scientific and historical data proving that contrails spread and can cover the sky in a haze of cirrus cloud. Seriously - here is yet another link to 100s of papers on "contrail cirrus"
I'm not in denial.... I can see a lot of historical paperwork has been done on contrails..... Yeah dude ...I read through some of those papers (alot of which want you to pay $ for the entire paper) and some references are lacking and some are not ..... most of the papers are just repeating each other.
Some of those patents describe the process and creating a trail behind a plane and even name the chemicals used ....... which match up almost exactly with what has been seen and tested.
Also ..I'm not discounting your hundreds of papers but lets be clear ..... the scientific method was not used in any those .....except for the Colorado University one where they actually had test aircraft.
edit on 23-7-2012 by dplum517 because: (no reason given)