reply to post by VeritasAequitas
All of your reasoning is falling into the fallacy of misplaced concreteness. Symbols do not have one meaning. They have multiple meanings that are
interconnected and rightly divided by seven rules. Most of what you are conjecturing ignores these rules and rests on the foundation of symbols
having one meaning. What you are left with is paradox at every turn. It's a rabbits hole, just like the one Alice fell into where all of her
subconscious imagination was being played out in opposite.
Let me peel back what I just said and then help you go back and reboot your previous reasoning. Keep in mind that purely "if, then" statements cannot
answer the connections that symbols make. Symbols are a language. As such, they are used like words and have different ways of modifying what they
describe. Some are additives, some are verbs, some are nouns and so on. Take this exchange between Alice and Humpty Dumpty as an example.
`And only one for birthday presents, you know. There's glory for you!'
`I don't know what you mean by "glory,"' Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. `Of course you don't -- till I tell you. I meant, "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"
`But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument,"' Alice objected.
`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.
`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again.
`They've a temper, some of them -- particularly verbs, they're the proudest -- adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs -- however, I
can manage the whole of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!'
In this dialogue, you could image any number of things that Humpty is saying to Alice. There is only one truth from this, however, by context. To
know the context, we need to know why Alice is speaking to Humpty. We need to know who Humpty is. We need to know what is being stated by topic. At
the end of the day, we know these things and find something in this dialogue that relates to your misplace concreteness in this thread.
Humpty is speaking of men as archetypes of symbols in the last statement. He is Alice's subconscious speaking to herself. The subconscious here is a
picture of the Spirit speaking to the soul, which is the entire story of Alice in the Rabbit's hole. When Humpty says the last bit, what does he
"I can manage the whole of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"
He is saying this: Impenetrability is the state whereby two objects cannot occupy the same state. One rules the other. He is the only one that can
manage them all with accuracy. There is a story to be told to Alice, but Alice cannot manage all of the symbols at once into the story that is being
told. It must be experienced. In the end, "who is to be master, that's all." Who is to be master? This is the answer to the story.
So many topics on ATS are answered in this riddle:
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All of the King's horses and all of the kings men,
Could not put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
There are Seven Rules to rightly divide truth by context. It will help you to memorize and
If you can use them, the riddle above then becomes this when the symbols are unwound:
Man sat on the wall of choice when he was vulnerable like an egg on a wall.
Man took knowledge and used it before he was ready (before the egg hatched), and had a great fall (from God’s grace). If he had just waited, he
would have become his potential by hatching.
All of the King’s tools (technology) and all of the King’s men (Alchemists/Scientists/Mathematicians) could not put man back in his place of
I am not criticizing you. I am giving you what you need to see clearly. You are on the right path, but blindness comes from pride. Theology is the
same pride. The larger picture of your own self will unwind your own archetype if you look at yourself closer. Know yourself first. It won't be
pleasing if you are looking rightly. Divide truth against your own actions first, then go back and take a closer look at where you are headed with
the thoughts in this thread.
Read the links in my signature.
By the way, Boaz and Joachim are the X Chromosome of DNA. The fall in the garden was all about finding the tree of life. DNA is that tree. Your
avatar tells the story, but only in part.
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