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posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 08:17 AM
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Do you supposed there are certain characteristics or traits that enable a person to be hypnotized? What about this guy James Holmes who shot up a theater in Colorado? Many people say he was a loner, didn't talk much but was incredibly intelligent. Are these markers for being easily hypnotized? What I find strange is he was in theater and received a phone call. Rather than turn it off he answered it and then went out the exit door, propping it open. Did someone activate his brain to do this?

It's just a thought, as many things don't make sense about his actions.




posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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Dear OP,

I understand what you are attempting to explain, and it is not just about some circus hypnotist act but on a broader spectrum - our man made, man socially engineered environment.

Your first post is the very meaning of what you are talking about. I will illustrate what I mean.

After reading your 1st post, my consciouness immediately rejected your hypothesis, because a human's perception of reality is based upon his 5 senses - see, touch, smell, hear, taste, and one more vital sense - intelligence, to critically discern data based upon one's education background and experiences, to form an opinion.

You produced no quantifiable data to back up your claims. While I am no neurosurgeon, I am educated enough to search for data and information on the workings of the mind, and thus I reject your claims.

HOWEVER, your words flow into my subconcious mind, filled with bits and pieces of mind control data and subjects of which I may retrieve it one day by my conscious mind, to form an opinion. It was a new notion that by reading your post, it lays within my mind now.

On a broader sense, what it means to biz adverts and experienced social engineers would be to throw such new concepts and thoughts to its target audience-citizens. It doesnt matter if what was dished out were half truths or lies, such as those radical Islamists or right wingers loved to spout. It sticks to the mind.

The way to counter such social engineering tactics, which are propaganda and hateful commands detrimental to humankind, is to first rationalise such data with the concious mind - 5 senses and intelligence, to critically analyse those dish out data by checking and cross referencing to either accept or to reject.

UNFORTUNATELY, not many of mankind had the opportunity of eduction and varid experiences in life. For example, if an extremist Islamist were to spout his hate fill agendas to a goatherd, what would that rate of success be? Definately very high, for the goatherd had little opportunities with education, let alone experiences of life. The goatherd would be easily won over and allow his concious mind to accept half truths and lies are the full truth and reality.

And what rate of success would that similar mind game be upon a PHD of Maths. Perhaps equally so, if the PHD scholar is apathetic and cares nothing about politics, religion, etc, except for maths and teaching of maths, no other experiences in life, see life one dimensionally only, and lends his support to those causes when called upon.

Good mental excercise, thanks OP! :-)
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posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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I have read the replies and I am glad some people see my point.

Any other points made against what I posted have been answered by other posters I feel. There are a few that I think are unanswered and ill answer below.

Thanks for posting either way.

It has been an interesting read for me and I hope it was for anyone else that read or contributed to the thread.

To anyone else that might feel this is a lot of nonsense, I have not claimed in this thread or any other that I hold all the answers, all I am doing is sharing knowledge gained from experience that actually works when put into practice.


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posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Hardly. There's has to be desire for that kind of thing to work. It's like the Imperius Curse: if you don't have even the slightest desire to do it, you won't.

There were three men who were hypnotized. All three were asked for money. One man lied and said he didn't have any. The third man couldn't reach his wallet. His hand wouldn't go near it. The third man snapped right out of it and left.

This is a true story. Look it up if you want, you might learn more that way.


This is my point though, if your conscious mind is actually able to see what is, for better a word, attacking it. It can defend against it.

Hypnotism was an example, during a hypnosis show, it is pretty obvious to any volunteer that their conscious mind must choose to go with it or a guard is up.

Otherwise it is not able to see anything coming as it is simply not aware.
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posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by 3n19m470
2 questions, as I start typing anyway...

We don't all have hypnotism following us around, so when this happens in everyday life, if they are not your own thoughts, and there is no hypnotist around, then who's thoughts are they??

How can you avoid this? Is it just something that happens when we get distracted, so the only real way is to try to stay focused and NOT get distracted to begin with? Seems like that would be impossible in certain situations... So, any tips?


I would say that their is hypnosis everywhere following us all around although NLP and subliminal suggestion might be a better term to use. TV adverts get past your conscious mind when you watch them, radio, news, political speeches, newspapers, posters and even online articles all influence every single one of us. Even if you think they do not, when you get angry at hearing something you disagree with it makes you just as vulnerable as someone who blindly believes anything they see or hear.

Personally I do not watch television anymore, listen to radio and have a critical eye when reading articles too but I know I myself am influenced.

Beyond that, its very difficult to avoid I think and I do not have all the answers, im just pointing something out to others which is important I believe.

Not every single thing in the world is bad and that is not what I am suggesting but there is an obvious negative section in things these days, just pay attention to what you are reading. Ask "Why?" is the way I look at things be it, why is this getting my attention, why am I angry at this, why am I agreeing with this and most of all do not lie to yourself.

This thread is really just a "For your information" and im quite pleasantly surprised by some of the responses.


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posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 08:58 PM
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Has any one else see batman and catwoman in the lil wayne video "my homies still," because I did.
It is 3min 45sec in you will have to pause.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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A perfect explanation, wow!

Kudos, you get my star and flag. And i'm stingy with these too



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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Funny when I read your suggestions ... my mind replied to me (F... Y...)

a human feedback loop .... didn't do it for me....

no insult intended



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by XXXN3O

Originally posted by InTheShadows
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That's a pretty good explanation. It helps explain a lot of people I've met in my life and it also helps explain the things we do sometimes that we look back on and say "Why did I say that" or "Why did I do that".


It is a very hard thing to put into clear language if you get me.

I am glad you understood it.

To take this a bit further, in hypnosis, when a hypnotist says sleep. Your sub conscious feeds that suggestion back to your conscious mind and you fall asleep because you think its your own thoughts. This is why, on a bigger scale, our minds are far from our own when it comes to society and its bombardment of our minds.


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So you're claiming one does not own their unconscious thoughts and they are more powerful than the conscious? You're eliminating an awful lot there. Reason and logic are part of the equation. Most everyone operates from the conscious and hypnosis is sometimes utilized to help a person reach their unconscious thoughts to allow them to act in a manner their conscious mind might not otherwise allow. I think you've oversimplified how this works and are confusing the issue by ascribing hypnosis as a state of consciousness. It's not from what I've read.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 10:34 PM
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OP, you wrote "....myself am influenced".
I now wonder... whether the observer effect is at play in us.
What if when one observes the invisible, the invisible itself changes.

Great thread.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 11:09 PM
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Katy Perry - Wide Awake


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Detox the pineal. Iodide, does it. And alkaline foods. Good spirit. Be kind and positive in thoughts, words, deeds. Make thine eye single, and filled with light.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by Bilk22

Originally posted by XXXN3O

Originally posted by InTheShadows
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That's a pretty good explanation. It helps explain a lot of people I've met in my life and it also helps explain the things we do sometimes that we look back on and say "Why did I say that" or "Why did I do that".


It is a very hard thing to put into clear language if you get me.

I am glad you understood it.

To take this a bit further, in hypnosis, when a hypnotist says sleep. Your sub conscious feeds that suggestion back to your conscious mind and you fall asleep because you think its your own thoughts. This is why, on a bigger scale, our minds are far from our own when it comes to society and its bombardment of our minds.


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So you're claiming one does not own their unconscious thoughts and they are more powerful than the conscious? You're eliminating an awful lot there. Reason and logic are part of the equation. Most everyone operates from the conscious and hypnosis is sometimes utilized to help a person reach their unconscious thoughts to allow them to act in a manner their conscious mind might not otherwise allow. I think you've oversimplified how this works and are confusing the issue by ascribing hypnosis as a state of consciousness. It's not from what I've read.


No I am claiming that your conscious mind is the most in control or powerful part of your mind if you know how to use it.

Very few people do.

Therefore so much information is allowed into their sub conscious mind which creates and repeatedly reinforces thoughts that are not their own thoughts. To them, their thoughts are their own and they will argue to the death against anyone who tells them otherwise, that part I have already tried to explain too.

I hope that makes sense.



Nice Avatar by the way :-)
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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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what basically we have to understand that "I" is not so seperate from "you" or anything else...it's all part of a sort f continium (sp).



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