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posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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Uh no. I have a friend who is a retired LT. Commander in SEAL 5, and 1. He had gone over to the UK a few times to work with the Royal MArines, SAS and the boat squadrons over there. His take. Although the SAS set the standards originally they are a little outdated in their methods. And the SEALs were over there basically showing them how things are now done.

Don't get me wrong he said the SAS are still top notch just that what they train in isn't as up to date as to what they will now be expecting when they go downrange.

SAS were/are great. Many other countries have surpassed them in ability though. SEALS do so much more than act of valor or the public know about. And a lot of it has nothing to do with weaponry.

Everybody wants to talk about the SAS but what about the Polish SF. they are considered every bit as good as the UK's SAS. WHat about the south korean SF. I know SEALs that still say they are one of the best around, way more hardcore than the SAS. what about the A-SAS or NZ-SAS. they are top notch too. I simply don't know why because Delta force was based off of SAS that people think other SF unites around the world didn't develop independently on their own and with just as superb tactics and skill sets.

Brits gotta stop riding the SAS jock.




posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone

Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
reply to post by Infi8nity
 


US pop = 310 million
UK pop - 60 million

Stats are not precise but close enough. UK still has a much lower per capita murder rate, and your point is ?

Way to dodge the question too ! i did notice
edit on 20-7-2012 by Hopeforeveryone because: (no reason given)


Your right but those numbers make it ridicules. 60million x 6 = 300million
So compared to the US

3,240 murders in the uk.

You cant solely blame guns on high murder rates. The US has much more gangs... But thats not even the point. If we had 20k death rate then I would still stand behind protecting my self from the people that do not give a damn. Gangs will control the gun market and sell guns to criminals. The criminals will have a field day. Compliant citizens have no way of defending them selfs so gangs will start to spread and get more power leading to more killings.
edit on 20-7-2012 by Infi8nity because: (no reason given)



Yeah my point was there's too many guns floating around the US already - would take at least a generation to round them up so control is a sticky issue. Ways to tackle the problems with violence, whatever the cause, should be higher a priority in the US. For a developed, first world nation the statistics are quite worrying.


And let our defenses down? Ha we may not need them now but we probably will in the future. Owning guns would keep a country from directly invading. Like another poster said in ww2 troops took paths witch wear away from heavy populated gun area's because they knew they could not take them on.
edit on 20-7-2012 by Infi8nity because: (no reason given)


No one wants to invade.....they want to destroy ......not invade!

E



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by BASSPLYR
Uh no. I have a friend who is a retired LT. Commander in SEAL 5, and 1. He had gone over to the UK a few times to work with the Royal MArines, SAS and the boat squadrons over there. His take. Although the SAS set the standards originally they are a little outdated in their methods. And the SEALs were over there basically showing them how things are now done.

Don't get me wrong he said the SAS are still top notch just that what they train in isn't as up to date as to what they will now be expecting when they go downrange.

SAS were/are great. Many other countries have surpassed them in ability though. SEALS do so much more than act of valor or the public know about. And a lot of it has nothing to do with weaponry.

Everybody wants to talk about the SAS but what about the Polish SF. they are considered every bit as good as the UK's SAS. WHat about the south korean SF. I know SEALs that still say they are one of the best around, way more hardcore than the SAS. what about the A-SAS or NZ-SAS. they are top notch too. I simply don't know why because Delta force was based off of SAS that people think other SF unites around the world didn't develop independently on their own and with just as superb tactics and skill sets.

Brits gotta stop riding the SAS jock.


The polish have a remarkable OPs outfit...there great, there not the SAS....

E



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:45 PM
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reply to post by Infi8nity
 


I'm not sure how useful firearms are in a nuclear or biological war, times have moved on !

If the level of violence isn't a concern for you or other gun advocates then hey. don't worry about it.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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everyones losing track on this 1 subject

simple thing is if guns weren,t so readily available in america then more than likely this wouldn,t have happened...pure and simple.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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first thang that came to my brain gun control,, how many nuts would be out there if they new they were going to die when they get caught we need public hanging..He will be geting 3 meals aday cable TV & $$$ for his life story 2years from now on 2020 come on when you start to steal would you thank 2st if you new your hand would be cut off if you get caught this is a sad day for the familys of the dead if that was my kid with a bullet in his head i would go to jail to help this creep meat his maker.. if we lose our rights to own guns the bad guy will allways get one.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
reply to post by Infi8nity
 


I'm not sure how useful firearms are in a nuclear or biological war, times have moved on !

If the level of violence isn't a concern for you or other gun advocates then hey. don't worry about it.


Correct....the loud mouth gun owners are normally the ones that would never shoot anyway....in the event of a war sell your guns and buy a fall out shelter....

E



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:52 PM
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Population of the UK=63,000,000
Population of the US=311,000,000

Besides, UK has the highest crime in Europe. You keep picking gun crime, but you forget all the others.


For burglaries and robberies England and Wales had more crimes per 100,000 people than the USA.


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In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677
The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.


linky

So you can deflect and ignore all you want, and try to focus only on gun deaths, but fact is, that is the only fact you have to use.

Crime is at a 60 year low in the states.

you rarely heard of kidnapping till the illegal immigrant population surged in Phoenix. that is a new phenomenon. Most Americans have never been pick pocketed, but always hear of cities to avoid in Europe because of how prevalant it is.

The States ranks 57th in the world for rape. Every European country is ahead of us.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by sparky31
everyones losing track on this 1 subject

simple thing is if guns weren,t so readily available in america then more than likely this wouldn,t have happened...pure and simple.


Maybe ....im not for total gun banning at all just the guns that are ultra powerful...there is no need to have them.

pistols...hunting rifles...shotguns etc fine

E



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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Interesting point you raise about the subjective perception of how having a gun makes YOU safer and empowered. Objectively it's obvious that the more guns removed from a society, the less people will be shot but subjectively that fact isn't going to help YOU if your house gets invaded by gunmen. It seems that the ME mentality is one of the issues here.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by EqualizerUK

Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by EqualizerUK

Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by EqualizerUK

Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by EqualizerUK

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by EqualizerUK
 


Why don't you just come for my guns yourself and find out?


I don't want your guns....thats the problem with the pro gun lobby ....there always trying to defend to the death there right to bare arms....yet how many have actually defended there beloved USA on foreign soil ??? not many !!

I don't think you should have guns with your attitude...

E


Defend your country on foreign soil? You mean take over a country so you can use their resources to continue a consumerism way of living? Thats defending?


I agree the USA went to war when they had no right too!

that's something they have to justify every day!

E


Then why are you telling people to defend their country on foreign soil when defending the US on foreign soil does not exist? No one is going to start war with us unless we are posing a threat. 700billion dollar military budget, the highest in the world. The second is china 100billion. Whos going to declare war? We are apart of the U.N.


No one will declare war on you guys....my best guess is you will get nuked!! with in 10 years....you will be clutching your guns in vain!

E


You guys? Your not in America? Then what make you think you have the right to talk to us about gun control?


What rights are we breaking by asking questions ...isn't that what ATS is all about?....

E


Is their a communication brake down cause im from US and your from...? Or you just being a smart ass?
What makes you a expert? You do not live hear so you do not know what its like. YOU are not personally effected by the gun laws hear. Its just arrogant, I could care less if the EU has strict guns laws. If it works their then it works. America was founded on these rights. The idea of freedom, we are slowly losing that freedom. We no longer have a balanced judicial system, the president alone can declare war. We are ran by corporate power crazy thugs. Our constitution is all we have left of this idea of freedom(well besides the flag propaganda HA). Take away one of those rights and you might as well change the name of country. The constitution was meant to be a document of steel. It dictates laws. If we still allowed it to dictate our laws and had a the balanced system our founders made then things would be a heck of allot different. We would not be waging unjust wars, WOULD be staging our law. That document is our last thread.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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The topic is gun laws in the US not pickpocketing statistics in Liverpool. Besides i'd rather have my pocket picked than be shot in the face with a .45. Also in the UK everything is recorded, those statistics are more indicative of the UK's obsession with file keeping than anything.
edit on 20-7-2012 by Hopeforeveryone because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Hopeforeveryone
 


Population of the UK=63,000,000
Population of the US=311,000,000

Besides, UK has the highest crime in Europe. You keep picking gun crime, but you forget all the others.


For burglaries and robberies England and Wales had more crimes per 100,000 people than the USA.


link


In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677
The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.


linky

So you can deflect and ignore all you want, and try to focus only on gun deaths, but fact is, that is the only fact you have to use.

Crime is at a 60 year low in the states.

you rarely heard of kidnapping till the illegal immigrant population surged in Phoenix. that is a new phenomenon. Most Americans have never been pick pocketed, but always hear of cities to avoid in Europe because of how prevalant it is.

The States ranks 57th in the world for rape. Every European country is ahead of us.


57th in the world??
with the high population the USA has you think that little statistic if correct.....???
lol

E



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:59 PM
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the loud mouth gun owners are normally the ones that would never shoot anyway


Well then, since us gun owners are all so apathetic and timid, "they" have nothing to worry about, right?



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by EqualizerUK

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
reply to post by Infi8nity
 


I'm not sure how useful firearms are in a nuclear or biological war, times have moved on !

If the level of violence isn't a concern for you or other gun advocates then hey. don't worry about it.


Correct....the loud mouth gun owners are normally the ones that would never shoot anyway....in the event of a war sell your guns and buy a fall out shelter....

E


Who said any thing about nukes? Nukes can only effect a SMALL area compered to the rest of country.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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I agree with you there. Handguns and hunting rifles are fine. High powered automatics are not.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by EqualizerUK

Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by EqualizerUK

Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by EqualizerUK

Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by EqualizerUK

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by EqualizerUK
 


Why don't you just come for my guns yourself and find out?


I don't want your guns....thats the problem with the pro gun lobby ....there always trying to defend to the death there right to bare arms....yet how many have actually defended there beloved USA on foreign soil ??? not many !!

I don't think you should have guns with your attitude...

E


Defend your country on foreign soil? You mean take over a country so you can use their resources to continue a consumerism way of living? Thats defending?


I agree the USA went to war when they had no right too!

that's something they have to justify every day!

E


Then why are you telling people to defend their country on foreign soil when defending the US on foreign soil does not exist? No one is going to start war with us unless we are posing a threat. 700billion dollar military budget, the highest in the world. The second is china 100billion. Whos going to declare war? We are apart of the U.N.


No one will declare war on you guys....my best guess is you will get nuked!! with in 10 years....you will be clutching your guns in vain!

E


You guys? Your not in America? Then what make you think you have the right to talk to us about gun control?


What rights are we breaking by asking questions ...isn't that what ATS is all about?....

E


Is their a communication brake down cause im from US and your from...? Or you just being a smart ass?
What makes you a expert? You do not live hear so you do not know what its like. YOU are not personally effected by the gun laws hear. Its just arrogant, I could care less if the EU has strict guns laws. If it works their then it works. America was founded on these rights. The idea of freedom, we are slowly losing that freedom. We no longer have a balanced judicial system, the president alone can declare war. We are ran by corporate power crazy thugs. Our constitution is all we have left of this idea of freedom(well besides the flag propaganda HA). Take away one of those rights and you might as well change the name of country. The constitution was meant to be a document of steel. It dictates laws. If we still allowed it to dictate our laws and had a the balanced system our founders made then things would be a heck of allot different. We would not be waging unjust wars, WOULD be staging our law. That document is our last thread.


So hold on ...just because i don't live in the US i can't have an opinion?
I don't need to be an expert to have an opinion do i ?

your laws need a rewrite because you can buy guns in "WALMART" lol how stupid is that???

E



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by EqualizerUK

Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone

Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
reply to post by Infi8nity
 


US pop = 310 million
UK pop - 60 million

Stats are not precise but close enough. UK still has a much lower per capita murder rate, and your point is ?

Way to dodge the question too ! i did notice
edit on 20-7-2012 by Hopeforeveryone because: (no reason given)


Your right but those numbers make it ridicules. 60million x 6 = 300million
So compared to the US

3,240 murders in the uk.

You cant solely blame guns on high murder rates. The US has much more gangs... But thats not even the point. If we had 20k death rate then I would still stand behind protecting my self from the people that do not give a damn. Gangs will control the gun market and sell guns to criminals. The criminals will have a field day. Compliant citizens have no way of defending them selfs so gangs will start to spread and get more power leading to more killings.
edit on 20-7-2012 by Infi8nity because: (no reason given)



Yeah my point was there's too many guns floating around the US already - would take at least a generation to round them up so control is a sticky issue. Ways to tackle the problems with violence, whatever the cause, should be higher a priority in the US. For a developed, first world nation the statistics are quite worrying.


And let our defenses down? Ha we may not need them now but we probably will in the future. Owning guns would keep a country from directly invading. Like another poster said in ww2 troops took paths witch wear away from heavy populated gun area's because they knew they could not take them on.
edit on 20-7-2012 by Infi8nity because: (no reason given)


No one wants to invade.....they want to destroy ......not invade!

E


today but what about tomorrow? What if the US falls?



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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it wouldnt matter how many guns you have if gun men came into your house with intent to kill.im seting in my shorts watching TV i might get off a few rounds it would be bad,haha if you take all my guns then anyone could walk in my point was its the way our government has us eating out of there hands you proble voted for seat belt law.. how about justast stop feeding these creeps public hangings



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
reply to post by nixie_nox
 

The topic is gun laws in the US not pickpocketing statistics in Liverpool. Besides i'd rather have my pocket picked than be shot in the face with a .45. Also in the UK everything is recorded, those statistics are more indicative of the UK's obsession with file keeping than anything.
edit on 20-7-2012 by Hopeforeveryone because: (no reason given)


Those are more then just pickpocket statistics. In America your not going to just walk into a random house and rob some one and not expect to get shot.





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