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False Flag Alert in Aurora : Biggest Mass Shooting in the History of the USA is not a coincidence

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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Lichter daraus
First thing that came to my mind when i heard about this was "great one more reason for them to take away our right to bear arms". i wont be surprised if there are more happenings like this to push that agenda even farther.


i had this thought as well

and i keep reading how we need better more restrictive gun control

and i say bs bs bs bs

if anything we need more guns in the hands of american people

if everyone else was frikin armed in this theater the guy would have only got off 3 shots
b4 he was gunned down by the masses
edit on 21-7-2012 by goou111 because: (no reason given)




posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:13 PM
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Haha, oddly enough I was at a kid movie with my niece and some dude was at the moive with his girlfriend or something. He got super pissed because kids were being kids....at a kids movie...and he got super aggro (cussing at kids/famalies) and left through the emergency door like 20 minutes into the film. He was carrying on how kids need to shut up during movies, trying to grab at the poor girl he was with and drag her out of the theater. She ultimately stayed and didn't bother going after him.

So, to answer your question, I have recently seen this...in a bizzare way....but it was done!

PS--I wanted to give that dude a piece of my mind! A) for being rude to kids at a kids movie. B) grabbing at a girl much smaller than him and being a total D###.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by SolaFide

Originally posted by BrianFlanders

Originally posted by SolaFide

Originally posted by BrianFlanders

Originally posted by BirdOfPLay
I want to see the video of he alleged shooter buying his movie ticket. that should be out NOW.


This kind of thing is easy for them to fake. It wouldn't really prove anything. Or maybe he really did buy a ticket. Like I said, what if they somehow staged the whole thing and pretty much everyone involved are team players? Sounds unlikely but there have been crazier conspiracy theories than that proposed in the past.


There are 12 dead people laying in a blood soaked theater....

Close to 60 people rushed to 4 different hospitals with gunshot wounds....

Seriously, have some compassion for the families and start denying ignorance.


1. I didn't see any of it with my own eyes in person and therefore, I don't discount anything.

2. If it was the real deal, of course I have compassion for them. But here's the thing. I don't know these people.

3. This is a conspiracy forum. This is what this place is for. What I and others are doing here is just speculation. We are not doing anything here we aren't supposed to do. If you want to post messages of grief expressing your heartfelt condolences, I'm sure there's a place for it somewhere on this internet.


This is a site to deny ignorance, conspiracy or otherwise.

You said this kind of thing is easy to fake and that is an ignorant statement and then gave you 2 examples of why . Use your head, I'm sure you are quite intelligent as most members here appear to be.

If you still want to stick by your statement then tell me why you think so. Put up some facts or some rational thought.




1. I (Obviously) meant this kind of thing would be easy for TPTB to fake. The people who control the most powerful government on the planet and most of the media are capable of showing you a video from a movie theater that shows (or appears to show) the alleged gunman buying a ticket. Like I said, I don't believe that proves anything one way or another. If you disagree, fine. I don't care.

2. I'm not going to argue any further with you. That's not what I'm here for.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Screwed

Ughhh not another one!!!



Another what? A person who doesn't see the cops/government as my savior for all situations? There are like 70 plus people in this latest attack that the cops did nothing for...


Truly think about "when seconds count, cops are minutes away"



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by sleepdealer

If he was indeed nothing but a pawn, his so-called brainwashing might have started some time ago, and his mother was probably becoming more and more concerned about his behaviour. I'm assuming that these people are chosen because of their peculiar psychological profiles, so even if his parents report that he's always been a strange child or he showed cruelty towards animals and so on won't necessarily mean that he's the main culprit or that he wasn't used. But, obviously, there's always the possibility that he's a sociopath who acted alone. But there's something off about it.


If he was brainwashed, his parents were more than likely part of it, that simple. He would have been molested as a child and the multiple personalities created from that event tuned to their tasks by future handlers. This thing stinks to high heaven.

Of course, some on here won't believe this is possible and will deride this post and this way of thinking, probably forcefully.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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Also as a few other people noted, this would be the perfect excuse for them to expand their fondling and X-raying operations from the airports to other places where crowds gather. Theaters, shopping malls, etc. I have been expecting that for quite a while. We'll see.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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OK I'd like to address a few thinks in this thread..

Someone said that they feel there is a darkness connected to this and the other batman movies, I believe that was the feel Nolan was trying to create. But I don't think the Bogey man is gonna pop out of the screen. There are far worse movies than this.

Someone else also said that this is what happens with the amount of violence on TV and video games. I've seen many violent movies, and played many violent games.. I've played a game that lets you commit grand theft auto. Yet I've never felt this sudden urge to go do any of the things I've seen. I think your looking at a million or two to one odds that someone will be directly influenced by fiction.

Someone said this is why we need gun control, this is not the reason, its the fear mongering over guns that makes people who can get guns, not get them. Its why people who are crazy, or looking to commit a crime go after the public in this way. if this had been in Texas... I think this guy might have been outnumbered at least 20 to 1 in that theater

I don't think this was a false flag, its too blatant. but if it was a false flag then we would not be able to deny the fact that this proves how far those with the intent to control/ban weapons will go. The reason I don't think it was a false flag is because of 3 things.

1. By accounts from his neighbors, no one knew James Holmes and he knew no one. Humans are social by nature and any kind of isolation over a long term is bad. Even in big crowds one can feel isolated.

2. The people that did know him said that he always rooted for the bad guy, perhaps in his mind he thought he could do better, than the bad guys who always lose.

3. His mother told abc that they had the right guy. So evidently by her comment one might conclude there were at least some warning signs. but again if your isolated, no one is around to help you or point you towards help.

This is a terrible event and my heart goes out to the victims and families.

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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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Something interesting I want to point out that occurred to me. It is a thought process more than anything...

This film was going to be massive anyway. Surrounding it is a real theme of rising up, in other words rising up against oppression from governments and so on. I'm sure we would all agree on that.

Does anyone think there would have been an effect from this, like an Occupy wall street movement? And in this case, this event would have soured to many the association of DKR. Just an interesting thought that occurred to me.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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3) Gunman came from the side exit door : That door is usualy locked for good reasons
that mean someone must have left that door unlock / opened for him


It was said that the shooter bought a ticket and then left out the exit door -- wedging it open. It seems to me, it's fairly easy to kill a few dozen people with an AR-15 with extended Mag -- especially if you add the body armor and tear gas.

And it doesn't surprise me that some med student went berserk -- those students never sleep and self medicate heavily to get through their courses. The drugs today are more effective and slightly more likely to bring about psychotic episodes.


>> It's going to be impossible to KNOW if someone plotted something here. We have to rely on people at the scene being honest about what happened -- and the situation was confusing.

I'm sure a lot of gun fans will think this was a ruse to get rid of guns -- but the prima facia evidence here is a gun was involved and people are shot every day.

>> But this certainly did distract us from the LIBOR scandal.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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So don't go to malls and see how long it lasts when businesses start to complain.
You can buy just about anything on the internet.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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Star and Flag for your thoughts.I don't wish people to think I'm trying to take over your post, so, I'll send you a U2U as I think is going on.

If, I'm right it's devious and alot of innocent people died and/or were injured for it.

P.S. Anything the MSM over- play, hype, whatever word you want to use (ad nauseum is a word that comes to my mind also),on I put it on mute and not wanting to here all their "deductions".



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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I see it as a reason to make it easier for people to get a gun. Here is the way I see it. A bad person that wants to kill will always find a way to do it. No matter how well you control guns, if a bad guy wants one, they will get one. But, if someone else in the theater had a gun on them, they could have dropped the guy before he got off more than a couple of shots.

I just noticed that Gou111 beat me to it.
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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by adamneldon
I see it as a reason to make it easier for people to get a gun. Here is the way I see it. A bad person that wants to kill will always find a way to do it. No matter how well you control guns, if a bad guy wants one, they will get one. But, if someone else in the theater had a gun on them, they could have dropped the guy before he got off more than a couple of shots.


Except that if its easier for 'good guys' to own guns, it would also be easier for 'bad guys' to own guns. That would, inevitably, lead to a proportionate increase in the amount of tragedies.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Perhaps i'm going mad here.

Why are people here trying to apply logic to the gunmans actions? There is no rationality to the murder of innocent people, so how could you argue a lack of rationality is evidence of his innocence - surely it is the cornerstone of the argument that he did it?



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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still guns in Cuba Vietnam Afghan still guns in Iraq still Nukes in N Korea, Pakistan,still guns in Myanmar, P.Is. India guns in Oman, Libya, still guns even in Great Briton.


I dont hate anybody you can call me a troll or any other 4 letter word you want to.

It just wont happen, hasn't and wont.
But what does happen patronage to Glen Beck and Alex Jones.
While you are worrying about all the scary things that could happen, you didnt pass any laws to keep all the gold made in the USA, in USA. Did you?.
Sucks to be you and me NOW doesn't it.

what ever, its my day off.

make believe fictitious creating writing.
the only thing in this thread that is the truth is that this punk ass britch lost his sense of reason and killed 15 and hurt a bunch more.

you responded to me twice on this thread,
how many times today did you write your congressman? how many times did you write the MSM to ask them to stop promoting ratings?

Bitching about things on ATS isnt helping America and its not playing an active role in OUR Government.


right back at you
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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst

I'm sure a lot of gun fans will think this was a ruse to get rid of guns -- but the prima facia evidence here is a gun was involved and people are shot every day.


I'm not even really a gun fan. I don't have any guns and have only ever owned one in my life when I was a teenager. I have enjoyed renting a shooting a few handguns at a range many years ago.

I simply believe in the right to own guns.

In my opinion, the evidence is the circumstances. More than likely if you go through your life being suspicious of various things you hear and see on the news, you will probably never find out if your gut instinct was correct or not. It's fun to speculate but that's about all you can ever do.

However, in your day to day life, you have the advantage of actually being able to solve some of the mysteries that surround you. If you get a gut feeling that there's something fishy going on with your wife, you can "investigate" and more than likely, if you're willing to go to the necessary lengths, you can find out the truth.

I'm approaching 40 and I have learned through personal experience to listen to my gut. Usually when my gut/nose tells me something's not quite right, my first instinct is correct. That is, I seem to have the ability to sniff out a vague tuna stench. This is why I don't take anything I see/hear/read in the MSM at face value. My nose picked up a strong stench from that general direction long ago. And it just keeps getting worse.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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False flag. Could be, but even if it's not it might as well be considering the reaction. I knew after national health care was forced on us, the next thing on the agenda would be guns. I figured they'd wait till after the election, but I guess either they couldn't wait, or they feel so bold now, that they think they can get away with anything now.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by occrest
Tear gas and smoke bombs being used certainly give credence to the idea that this may indeed be a false flag, as these are not your ordinary "over the counter" munitions.



There was actually no need for the smoke bombs. All he had to do was pull the trigger as soon as he entered the darkened theater.
Why the need to disable young movie-goers when he's the one holding the gun? I highly doubt they had the presence of mind to form another "Let's Roll" move on the bad guy(s) again


I think smoke was used to obscure his face even more. This way they can pin this on any patsy they'd wanted to.

I don't like to think that every single horrible happenstance is smudged with governments' finger prints but hey, they've forced me not to trust them ever again!


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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Ben81
False Flag Alert in Aurora :
Biggest Mass Shooting in the History of the USA
MIGHT NOT be a coincidence


I think this needed its own thread

At first i didnt though much about this mass murder
a guy with mental issue that probably woreship the devil himself
and his computer is probably all 666 signs everywhere
with background picture of lucifer

all killer that shot random people like that have the same dark profile
they are very inteligent not to be caught ..with reasonable behavior
not to look like a suspect and made a plan to attack a cinema during his favorite movie
and be talked on the news for days

after i analysed all the released info of the killing ... i started connecting dots
let me think out loud here for a moment .. but i suspect a cover up / false flag
i might be wrong .. its speculations
but what if this was not a coincidence .. it seems the timing was perfect for this to happen

1) Big Public place --> Cinema = No guards

2) Gunman was covered head to toe -> witness cant confirm shooter face
the elites can now put anybody face they want on TV
and say this was the shooter (young friendly but shy neighboor
who even had a beer with a adult black guy at the bar and didnt seem at all to have mental issue
went to college with a smily friendly picture .. he didnt had the killer profile

3) Gunman came from the side exit door : That door is usualy locked for good reasons
that mean someone must have left that door unlock / opened for him

4) Movie was The Dark Knight Rise with many conspiracy surrounding it
if the elite made that movie for a purpose .. then they surely want something
someone mass murdering people during the FIRST movie release exactly after midnight
the dark knight rise will be all over the news .. and really feel like a dark knight has risen
surely far away to be a white knight

5) It would provite an excellent argument to sign the gun law
such mass shooting in a public place where he shot apx 80 people (15 killed - 71 wounded)
they say it is the biggest mass shooting event in america history
1 gunman shot apx 80 peoples .. that never happened

6) Booby trapped appartment ? how convenient
now reporters and cameras needs to be 1 km away from the appartment
they "evacuated" all surrounding building
are they scare we find that it was NOT the gunman
the swat probably needed to create themself the trip wires
and create booby traps .. and then take pictures and show it to the world
it can also serve has a false flag .. release chemical (they say the killer have some)
or a bomb that will destroy the building itself while destroying all proof
that it was not the gunman ..

7) Covered Gunman was emotionless/mindless and didnt say anything during the entire shooting
so nobody could voice identify him or even recognise the shooter eyes (had a mask)

8) The gunman had a big unsual arsenal (no civilians can have all that without even being suspected)
* .40 glock handgun
* Remington shotgun
* AR15 semi automatic (with a special designed magasine to old 100 bullets)

9) Perfect distraction for what happening in the ME ..especially with Syria and Iran

10) Name of the city is Aurora

im sure im missing a few detail
but this is what i think .. any #11 ?
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Here's my take on the FALSE FLAG scenario:

1. ATF or CIA or NSA or DHS or FBI put this kid up to what he did. They have a history of doing this.
Remember Randy Weaver and David Koresh?
2. It was done to garner sympathy for the Anti-Gun establishment which is working on the UN Treaty to ban
all small arms worldwide. That comes on July 27, 2012 and Obama already has the permission of the US
Congress to SIGN that treaty (it was included in the ObamaCare Bill / Law).



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by rebellender
Originally posted by MidnightTide




Under Article 6, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, they reason -- to the extent that reason's involved -- a treaty possesses equal authority to any American law, including the Constitution itself.

They won't come out right away and try to take your firearms, it will be a slow progession, just watch and see if the UN small arms treaty passes next week.


yeah forgot this is a conspiracy creative writing blog.

please excuse me

reply to post by rival
 


as stated above, creative writing !!!
ATS style
edit on 21-7-2012 by rebellender because: (no reason given)


My position is that gun control will slowly become gun confiscation and finally an outright gun ban under
martial law.....I think your position is that it cannot happen because Americans will fight back.
Well, they had better fight NOW instead of later. It can and does happen...



As far as I know not a single American fired on the gun confiscators and among those gun
confiscators not a single one of them resisted the confiscation order as a conscientious objector...

While I applaud and support organizations such as The Oath Keepers, I can tell you that most humans
shoot their mouth's off UNTIL the going gets tough and then they back down and compromise.
I could stand here and assert that they "...wouldn't have taken my guns," but nary a soul in New Orleans
kept their guns by resisting....everyone either caved in to the pressure. or was taken down.
The only people who kept their guns, kept them in secret or were not ordered to surrender them
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