CNN: "Is Gun Control The Answer?" Here We Go Again.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by hadriana

 

How does asking for gun control turn people on one another?

See, that's the reason we NEED gun control. People are too easily turned on each other. Maybe if we got along better, we wouldn't need to keep so close an eye on weapons.

Sorry, but you opened that can.

Well you can open up a can of poison and put it in a buffet for dinner too.

It turns people on each other politically - like you see in this thread. It has been known to split the democratic party nearly in two, because a lot of democrats don't like the idea of gun control. This is especially true in the South.

reply to post by hadriana


Oh, so I'm a Republican? Thanks for that little bit of info.

The problem here is in Colorado it is real easy to buy fire arms...every state is different. I live in Connecticut in order to buy a pistol you have to take a certification class, application from my towns Police Dept. A complete back ground check that takes up to 3 months,and three letters of recommendation from up standing citizens. You cannot by aromatic rifles only semi aromatic no large clips.
In New York even tougher laws it take a minim of a year to own a pistol. The laws are much more less down south and out west.

reply to post by nighthawk1954


If you follow the law, sure. I could walk into beebees, hand badaracco some cash, and have an arsenal in a few hours in danbury. I know where I could get some in waturbury as well.

What I find amazing is that the gun ban advocates actually think the people in the United States would actually turn their weapons in.

This isn't Britain or Canada, where when the government wanted the populace to turn in their weapons, they just say "OK. I guess we have to turn them in."

That won't happen here. It would take a raid on every city in America to accomplish that.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by nighthawk1954

 

If you follow the law, sure. I could walk into beebees, hand badaracco some cash, and have an arsenal in a few hours in danbury. I know where I could get some in waturbury as well.

Of course you can buy guns off the street!
I'm talking about law biding citizens not criminals.
You can buy guns in ANY country if you have the money, not just the U.S.

reply to post by nighthawk1954


Soooooo....... How is making it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns supposed to help then?

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by nighthawk1954

 

Soooooo....... How does making it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns supposed to help then?

Dude I not getting into Pissing contest with you I am just stating the facts!
I personaly have many guns bought legally.

reply to post by nighthawk1954


Pissing contest? It's a conversation. You posted some facts about how it's harder for the average joe to get a gun in some parts of CT and NY than other places. I am just not seeing the point it is supposed to make.

We in England have Gun control.
and look at all the good it is doing.
we still have mad gun men just like america.

gangs in england let you Rent a gun.
criminals will allways get guns.

Adolf Hitler made the people give up their guns.

Of all the things the gov could try to do to the populace, attempting to take away honest citizens firearms is the top of the good luck with that list. Of course if they want to create a war with the populace that would do it.

Those of us that live in rural areas have no one but our selves for protection.

Originally posted by roadgravel
Of all the things the gov could try to do to the populace, attempting to take away honest citizens firearms is the top of the good luck with that list. Of course if they want to create a war with the populace that would do it.

Those of us that live in rural areas have no one but our selves for protection.

lol to hard to see it on the in side of the box i guess...? Honest citizens would not raise arms at all. A honest person would comply with the given laws.

Yeah looks great, "try and take my guns and we will start a war and kill people our own people ". Does not sound like the words of an honest person. In stead it sounds like the words of a mad man or a terrorist.

Disarm it is that simple

Originally posted by jude11
Well that was fast. Couldn't even let the smoke clear before making it political. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.

The headline on the front of CNN: Is Gun Control The Answer?

But then the ACTUAL report headline: Gun control or carry permits won't stop mass murder.
www.cnn.com...

Very conflicting as one asks a question but the article headline answers it. Many won't follow the link but will just see the first page of course.

And now there will be weeks and months of debate on the issue yet again. Politicians will rally for and against, Obama will take whichever side is the most popular and it'll lead right into statements and debates thru the elections.

I stand my ground on this. If the people in power are the only ones that have guns, the citizens will have lost their last tool to fight for liberty. Those in power are slowly taking away every right and freedom from the citizens. Without the ability to protect yourself, family, property...you might as well just put your hands up now.

And then we have this. Is this another push towards even more intrusive surveillance from Big Bro? Will people agree to it in order to be 'Safe'?
Is this the REAL agenda?

In the short term, there will probably be security specialists who will recommend ways in which our public spaces could be better protected. Sadly, mass shootings have occurred in shopping malls, schools, restaurants, health clubs, churches, courthouses, post offices, almost any place that people congregate. None of us would wish to turn our public spaces into tightly secured fortresses.

I do like this statement tho. It rings truer than most arguments I've heard on the subject:

If one thing is predictable about mass shootings, however, is that they will spark arguments from gun control advocates and gun rights groups alike. Both sides of the gun issue will probably view this tragedy as one more example of why more or less gun control is the answer ... and both sides will be wrong.

Ok, this I didn't know:

(The number of mass murders in the U.S. has remained fairly steady, averaging about two dozen cases a year since the mid-1970s.)

2 mass murders per Month in the US since the mid 70's? Is this true or was it thrown into the article to stir anti-gun sentiment? If anyone can confirm this, thanks.

And to end it:

Mass murder is regrettably one of the painful consequences of the freedoms we enjoy.

I have to think about the statement although I do agree with the premise.

Peace

edit on 20-7-2012 by jude11 because: (no reason given)

When are they ever going to learn. Making restriction after restriction and law after law will not stop people that are dead set on violent acts. All it does is punish decent, honest people. Take a look at the systems we currently have in place. The majority protect and give more rights to criminals and corporations than to victims and society as a whole.

Well, they weren't talkin' like this, when the cops murdered that guy the other day.
Deputies shoot, kill

I dont remember them saying anything about it...when the BART officer in Oakland killed that one guy, in cold blood.

Gun control? Yeah...ok. If WE can't have them.....then, NEITHER can "they" (law enforcement). Why should "they" have weapons, and we remain defenseless? Maaaaaaaaaaaan, is there something wrong with the 7 billion people, living on this planet, or what? Let's talk about BULLYING! Shall we!

We live in a world of HYPOCRITES, that make laws to protect their hypocrisies!!! Jesus figured that out!

The City of Aurora does not allow CWP holders. One well minded individual with a Sig Sauer and we have a different ending. Learn to use a gun, lawfully carry a gun. Protect yourself for no one else will.

What we need is gun control legislation that makes sense. We need reason, common sense, and reliability; that's it. There is not enough standardization in the vetting process of firearm application as there should be. I say this as a patriot, a veteran, and a gun-owner. I live in New York State, take our laws, they are the biggest, piece of junk garbage gun control laws you could imagine. In addition, the vetting process in each individual county is significantly different; and to boot, NYC has its own rules when it comes to firearms. We have what I call, Feel-Good Legislation laws, meaning, the make the politicians feel good about drafting and passing them, but in reality all they do is punish the law-abiding citizen and do absolutely nothing to limit access to illegal firearms by criminals. It's kinda similar to our new healthcare (oh dear!), it does little to improve access to quality healthcare by citizens.

I think many states may operate like NY; here is an example. Mind you we have no open-carry, it is all concealed carry. In my county it takes up to 6 months to hear back from the judge whether or not you're issued your pistol permit, however, as long as you pass a one-time felony background check by the shop owner you can purchase a rifle or shot-gun. In other states, like Pennsylvania where my brother lives, the process is similar for an open-carry pistol permit. Just for humor's sake, in six months I had three federal criminal background checks performed! I purchased a SW .22 M&P 15. I then applied for my pistol permit and underwent a second federal FBI check. And then to boot, you're going to love this, six months later when I purchased my pistol the shop owner is required one last FBI background check before I walk out of the store! Now I'm not ignorant and I understand the rationale for this, but COME ON! REALLY!

We have a "coupon" process in my county. You'll find this amusing. When a citizen is issued his/her permit for the first time, it comes with a coupon attached that you give to the firearms dealer. You pay for the gun, he keeps the coupon, then you go enjoy the 2nd amendment. However, your pistol must be registered to that permit before you can carry it, translation: giant pain in the butt! The day arrives! I receive notice I can pick up my pistol permit. I drive to the county building 10 minutes to pick up my permit. She hands both the permit and the coupon. She tells me I cannot take possession of the pistol until she hand-writes the weapon on the back of the permit. She says they will try to give it to me but that I cannot legally do so. Okay. So I drive 45 minutes to Gander Mountain. I purchase my Glcock 19. He goes to give me the gun and I explain everything to him. Long story short, I walk out of the store with the firearm. Now it's completely legal for me to have it...sort of...I felt like Ralphie in A Christmas Story.

I want an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle with a compass in the stock!

That's how I felt about the G19! Remember when you purchased your first hand-gun? Well, needless to say I didn't get very far until I brought it back in for the dealer to hold onto so I could drive 55 minutes back to the county office so she could write its dimensions on the back of the permit. Then I drive another 55 minutes back to Gander Mountain to finally take possession of my gun. Subsequent purchases are less troublesome, as the firearm is placed on the back of your permit when you go to pick up your coupon. This saves the extra trip. But, still, it is insane!

To add to the insanity, each judge in each county makes up the rules. Already knowing this, I was kindly reminded the other day. I rarely put all the money down on the gun when I make a purchase. I can't walk out the same day with the pistol so why potentially strap myself in between paychecks, right? So I drive 30 minutes out of my after work to put money down on the pistol. I then drove home and to the county office, which took about an hour. I turn in the receipt to the county clerk and she asks me if there is a balance, which I thought was really odd? Apparently three months ago the judge decided that all purchases needed to be paid in full before the judge would sign the coupon. Oh dear lord! So like a week later I make another hour long drive to the gun dealer, pay the balance off, drive the hour back to the county office building and submit for the coupon. I was hoping to have the coupon by yesterday; it didn't happen. The NY process is incredibly painful. I think I'd be more interested in getting both my prostate AND my colon checked on the same day!

The conspiracy theorist in me believes our government is trying to make the entire process, slowly over time, just too incredibly tedious to even bother, and eventually, and magically, we'll forget all about the 2nd amendment. Right before our republic crashes and marshal law is declared!

I just need to say that the common sense of people is pathetic. For all of those looking to control or ban guns.......you do know that cigarette smoking [which the state & Federal govt's tax and make a killing off of]....attributes to more deaths than.........................

•More deaths are caused each year by tobacco use than by all deaths from human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), illegal drug use, alcohol use, motor vehicle injuries, suicides, and murders combined.1,2

Tobacco-Related Mortality

People are twisted and if they want to kill you, they'll find a way. We may as well ban cars, planes, knives, bats, screwdrivers,chainsaws,axes,pipes,rocks/bricks, sticks, fire,.....etc...etc.

Hell, we may as well climb into a cave and end the world....it's a scary place

reply to post by Cosmic911


The only thing that makes sense about NYS's vetting process is the considerable amount of investigation the county does in making sure applicants are not violent felons and/or has serious psychiatric/mental health problems. In fact, medical, health, and criminal background checks make up a substantial portion of the application process. That's a good thing. Hopefully this is keeping firearms out of the hands of violent and mentally-ill persons.

reply to post by Cosmic911

 

The only thing that makes sense about NYS's vetting process is the considerable amount of investigation the county does in making sure applicants are not violent felons and/or has serious psychiatric/mental health problems.

NY state/city is ridiculous. I know someone with a NYS carriers permit who was arrested when he went to NYC carrying. Why is NYC allowed to have seperate and different laws than ITS state who makes the law? NY is totally hypocritacal to say the least.

As a matter of fact....it's most of the cops who shouldn't have guns. All they want to do is murder people because they have an excuse and the law on their side.

Originally posted by CallYourBluff

Well I guess if you live in a country where people are ultimately selfish and have no community spirit and lack the intelligence to provide local produce, I guess you have no choice.

Britain in WW2, when people cared.

We have 350 million people now and it takes only a few or even one to really ruin your day.