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reply posted on 21-7-2012 @ 05:41 AM by aardvark888
reply to post by AfterInfinity



That's a stupid idea because criminals would still have guns...



reply posted on 21-7-2012 @ 06:00 AM by openminded2011
If you were to get at the root cause of what happened here (If thats possible), i think its more societal than anything else. We are living in a culture that is awash in and embraces violence. We have it on television,in our movies, our music, video games, our foreign policy, our most popular sports. From the time a kid is born to adulthood, they are practically PICKLED in violence. they are repeatedly shown that violence is a primary outlet for solving problems. Also our culture embraces escapism in many forms, most of which are mentioned above. So we have a subset of people who are desensitized to violence and mentally the line between reality and fantasy is blurred from a lifetime of playing video games, watching movies, reading comic books, etc. I think this is the environment that cooks people like the shooter in Colorado. Getting rid of all guns is not really addressing the problem, addressing the problem is looking at the elements of our society that fosters the mindset that compelled that kid to go do what he did. Guns are like drugs, there are a lot of drugs out there, but not everyone abuses them, only a subset of the population. You can put a gun on a table, and walk thousands of people past it, the vast majority of people will just walk past, it a very small percentage might pick it up and start shooting, What we need to focus on is WHY. What external influences if any cause this behavior?
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reply posted on 21-7-2012 @ 06:39 AM by Evolutionsend
reply to post by jude11



We've already lost our tool to fight for liberty. When the second amendment was created, the musket was the best military technology, and anyone could own one. Nowadays the kinds of things the military has makes even the best semi-automatic rifle null.


reply posted on 21-7-2012 @ 08:55 AM by indisputable
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I personally don't care if you carry guns or no.t I just want to add a response to some thing you stated


I stand my ground on this. If the people in power are the only ones that have guns, the citizens will have lost their last tool to fight for liberty. Those in power are slowly taking away every right and freedom from the citizens. Without the ability to protect yourself, family, property...you might as well just put your hands up now.


I would like to remind you that many country's have a law that bans guns. An they do better at forcing change with out ever holding a gun. Take the UK an recently Iceland demonstrated this. Now if you take country's were its citizens are armed then you get prolonged violence take middle east an African country's. I care not if the ban is or not implamented i am just stating these facts an the obssion the US has with its guns is baffaling for some reason a lot are under the imprission that US forces will fire on there own family's


reply posted on 21-7-2012 @ 09:51 AM by KarmaComa
Originally posted by indisputable
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post by jude11



I personally don't care if you carry guns or no.t I just want to add a response to some thing you stated


I stand my ground on this. If the people in power are the only ones that have guns, the citizens will have lost their last tool to fight for liberty. Those in power are slowly taking away every right and freedom from the citizens. Without the ability to protect yourself, family, property...you might as well just put your hands up now.


I would like to remind you that many country's have a law that bans guns. An they do better at forcing change with out ever holding a gun. Take the UK an recently Iceland demonstrated this. Now if you take country's were its citizens are armed then you get prolonged violence take middle east an African country's. I care not if the ban is or not implamented i am just stating these facts an the obssion the US has with its guns is baffaling for some reason a lot are under the imprission that US forces will fire on there own family's


You make a good point here.
I would like to add another example: French people have been quite efficient in getting things from the government, without weapons: strikes.
Another efficient country for this matter is Germany, because most parties (labour unions, government, etc.) are somehow honest (at least much more than in other EU countries), and all parties are working towards the good of the country.


reply posted on 21-7-2012 @ 11:03 AM by AfterInfinity
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You're being stupid. Why don't we ban alcohol and everything else?

Why? WHY?! BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE F***ING STUPID!!!!! And yes, I'm allowed to say this, as I am American. Midwest America, hello all. So on to the point: we are all effing retarded. We want the things that make us feel most powerful, most happy, and most alive. We love the things that are bad for us, and hate the things that are good for us. So naturally, if there's a chance of being hurt involved, HELL YES, we're on the wagon. But if we have to take precautions, or we have to stop for our own safety, give it half an hour before a group of five to eight idiots decide they;re going to sneak back and take a swing at it. Because we're idiots. That's why other countries don't like America. Remember that whole cheerleaders and jocks stereotype? We're it. We are the grand icon of brainless musclejockeys and busty airheads. And our country likes us that way, so it encourages it and makes it easier and more profitable to go that route. Wonder why our education sucks? Because we'll tear everything down and rebuild if we get too smart. And now, we've come to equate pleasure with heaven. We're addicted to being "Gods", having control over life and death. Do you know what rap songs talk about today? Busting caps in people you don't like. And you still want your guns freely given? To HELL with that! But no, we're just gonna keep bleating about our rights so we can keep feeling like we have control over our own lives. At the cost of others.

Why? Because we've been programmed that way. We're programmed to put ourselves above others. That also means stuffing ourselves with stuff we like. Want a gun? Have 20. And don't forget, you can always use it for self-defense. And now we're so hooked that given a choice between life and death, we say, "Oh, I'll just kill myself with it. Problem solved." Not literally shoot yourself, just...oh, screw it. If you don't get it, I can't help you, nor do I want to.

Now we have a problem with guns, and instead of switching to a more promising mode of defense (which has been proven to work in European countries) we decide we want our rights, even if it does end up killing someone in another state. Selfish, stupid ***holes.

I'm ashamed to be American. If this is what patriotism means, then I'll gladly be a terrorist. At least they don't make pretenses about "self defense" when they want a gun. I spit on this topic.
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reply posted on 21-7-2012 @ 11:35 AM by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by jude11



You gotta admit that a lot of these incidents happen in the USA....

I'm from the UK and the reason we dont get mass murders over here like this latest one in Denver is because guns are outlawed.... we do get hardened criminals (Bank robbers) and gangs with guns but we dont have ordinary people with guns (who later turn out to be a bit trigger happy).... even gang members tend to only shoot other gang members and Bank robbers hardly use them when the point them at the cashier....

So yes, i would say that guns should be outlawed in the USA... death from gun would drop dramatically in stats!

Yes, i also agree that there are sensible people who hold guns at their home just for protection but if you allow these then you have to allow everyone else IMO.
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