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posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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The Joker was trying to prove that humanity, if given the push, would sink into the dark recesses of human nature faster than a rock in a pond. If given the motivation, morals and decency would go out the _ They would switch perspective and objective like a light.

Remember him talking about society being a joke? That's why. He knew it was an illusion, that given a reason, every man would turn on his neighbor. All he needed was a reason to HATE.

And that's what it is, really. Hate. The Joker knew the right button to press. Psychological damage with a painted target equals a beast the likes of which has never walked this earth before man showed up. Batman proved him wrong, though. Batman resisted...and proved that the human spirit can resist the emotional darkness that threatens with every break of the heart.

But some people LIKE hurting things. Some don't care. And when the cost outweighs the benefit, you have to do something. You have to make a change. And I firmly believe the change should be guns. No more guns. Tasers would be great. But guns kill with a single trigger pull, and way too many people are willing to do it, justified or not.

Is self-defense worth the risk of someone getting shot because they chose not to carry a hand gun, or were just in the wrong place at the wrong time? If all we have are knives to fight with, the chances are better. That's undeniable. All it takes is a good arm and a rock.


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posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 04:47 PM
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I think this might be a good time to start suing business/government, especially the victims.

Our Constitution as most are well aware says we may have firearms to defend ourselves. When businesses adopt the policy that no weapons are allowed on their premises, they should then be held responsible for each and every persons safety. When businesses prohibit weapons, they effectively remove an individuals right to defend their self and must in turn take measures to ensure the safety of their patrons, even if that means hiring a private security firm to come watch over their customers. I am of the opinion the theatre should be held partially responsible and should suffer some sort of punishment, even if it is a civil suit.

Personally, I do not visit businesses that have this policy.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Skewed
I think this might be a good time to start suing business/government, especially the victims.

Our Constitution as most are well aware says we may have firearms to defend ourselves. When businesses adopt the policy that no weapons are allowed on their premises, they should then be held responsible for each and every persons safety. When businesses prohibit weapons, they effectively remove an individuals right to defend their self and must in turn take measures to ensure the safety of their patrons, even if that means hiring a private security firm to come watch over their customers. I am of the opinion the theatre should be held partially responsible and should suffer some sort of punishment, even if it is a civil suit.

Personally, I do not visit businesses that have this policy.





Interesting take on it I must admit.

The store owner is in effect not allowing you a constitutional right...

But what about his right to make his own rules on his own property? Which right comes first?

Peace



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Hey, don't be painting canada as something it is not. We are nowhere near a gunless society or anti-gun, it varies province to province, and even town to town, as it does in the US.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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reply to post by AfterInfinity
 


Cars kill People to. Should we get rid of those also?
I knew people killed by concrete blocks.
Them to?



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by jude11


But what about his right to make his own rules on his own property? Which right comes first?

Peace


That is the beauty of being an American. The owner certainly has that right, but with that comes responsibility to their customers. It is the owners choice, I have no problems with that, but at the same time he must accept the consequences of their decision when he makes the decision that the customers cannot defend themselves.
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posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Skewed
I think this might be a good time to start suing business/government, especially the victims.

Our Constitution as most are well aware says we may have firearms to defend ourselves. When businesses adopt the policy that no weapons are allowed on their premises, they should then be held responsible for each and every person’s safety. When businesses prohibit weapons, they effectively remove an individual’s right to defend their self and must in turn take measures to ensure the safety of their patrons, even if that means hiring a private security firm to come watch over their customers. I am of the opinion the theatre should be held partially responsible and should suffer some sort of punishment, even if it is a civil suit.

Personally, I do not visit businesses that have this policy.


Same here - I just don't go into the places that don't allow me to carry. I agree that if they take away that right they are then responsible for assuming the responsibility to do so for you. I honestly don't know why some government buildings and areas are no carry zones either.

The government has IMO the responsibility to protect you if they take away your ability to protect yourself. I mean what better place to attack someone than on the walk to/from a building with a no carry policy. Chances are 99% (unless you are really bad at spotting cops) that the person will be unarmed.

Perfect place for a hit.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by rigel4
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Holy new gun laws batman



Lol haven't seen the new batman, guess i need to!



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by jude11
 


Gun control and carry permits won't stop murder, but it'll sure as hell make it more difficult. Plus, more consequences should you be caught with one. With a nation-wide ban on firearms using projectiles, how easy do you think it will be to use a gun without having every cop in the state looking for you?

Guns will be like leaving a fingerprint at a crime scene. I'm all for this gun control thing. I hate guns. Guns used to be a good thing, but now, there's too much temptation. We're too out of control. And when a cat gets too wild...

You take its claws away.


I actually hate guns too and I never want to have to use ours. But the truth is and everyone should agree that having a corrupt government with the only weapons in your country is not a good thing! They then know there is no one to stand up to them and they will do whatever they want.
First off the will remove rights you took for granted forever.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so. Indeed I would go so far as to say that the underdog is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order."

~ Adolf Hitler, April 11, 1942, in “Hitler's Table-Talk at the Führer's Headquarters 1941—1942,” Dr. Henry Picker, ed. (Athenaeum Verlag, Bonn, 1951)



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Yes, gun control is the answer. Hold the weapon FIRMLY in your hand......thats gun control. That and hitting your target with the first round.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Helig
 


Thank you. Someone who sees what I'm seeing. And no, it isn't that I think I'm right...I'm looking at the REAL why, the REAL how. Not what people feel is important or right - they don't even know. They let their pride and their fear control their judgment. That's alright, it's perfectly human. But I'm looking beyond. I pride myself in that skill.

And I see absolute chaos erupting from gun freedom. Because EVERYONE here should know that just because you have freedom, doesn't mean you'll do the right thing with it.


If you want guns out of the hands of the people, first they must be out of the hands of those in power and those they control...no military.
How do you think we can stand together and fight if our Government goes bad? What if the DO decide to imprison us and use gas to thin out those they don't like. Do you really believe this could never happen here? Do you really believe that those running things are angelic and trustworthy?
This is not La La land.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Guess you should have taken some jujitsu classes. Wouldn't have needed that gun; seriously, there's at least 20 ways to disarm a knife-wielding assailant without the use of firearms.


And how do you deal with an intruder with an illegal gun if we are all disarmed? Do you really honestly think there will be NO guns for the worst people to either make their own or buy?



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by benrl
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Guess you should have taken some jujitsu classes. Wouldn't have needed that gun; seriously, there's at least 20 ways to disarm a knife-wielding assailant without the use of firearms.


Ill go ahead and say it... You sir are a simpleton.

I don't care if this violates TOC, A man with a knife breaks into MY home, in the middle of the night, where MY wife is sleeping.

And I should of taken years of self defense... After this man had already killed my wifes little chihuahua that was barking in the yard, we found him after the incident when I wondered how come the damn thing wasn't barking, we have Pitt Bulls now by the way.

AND I SHOULD OF TAKEN MARTIAL ARTS?

What about now? Should I go take a class, im 10 years older, had a stroke, my right side doesn't function right.

Should I hand over the gun that Saved my wife and I so you feel a little safer about society as a whole?

I hope you are never faced with an armed intruder in your house in the middle of the night, I honestly do, and I pray that if that ever happens the Police respond in time to save you.


AS for gun control doing anything, RIGHT now I can obtain a gun, anywhere in the world, any caliber, full auto, brand new as well.

I can get it shipped in secret, smuggled in, for around 1000-2000 depending on what I wanted, I could get a hand gun to Britain if I needed too.

The know how is out there, gun control stops nothing.

There is your gun control at work, CRIMINALS can get one anywhere, Law abiding citizens not so much.
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May I also add there are little old Grannies and Grandpas living alone, without a gun they are totally helpless, what they should kick the knife or gun out of the guys hand?



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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And I should of taken years of self defense


And I guess this is where you say, "Years of self defense aren't worth protecting my wife and home. I'll just buy a gun instead because I don't feel as bad about taking a life as I do about taking years of classes that would improve my health and mind, and provide ample defense that would spare a life in need of changing. Nope, not worth it."

And you call me a simpleton. I just dragged all of that out of one sentence. Sorry, sir, but I am not in the least offended, being called a simpleton who would rather kill someone than take classes that have more benefits than costs. Hell, your friends could have taught you! I'm sure you have at least one who knows a trick or two.

Very useful in bar fights.



What about now? Should I go take a class, im 10 years older, had a stroke, my right side doesn't function right.


A man can do whatever he wants. If a man who has tiny arms and tiny legs, who barely clears two and a half feet, can jump into a swimming pool and pop right back out, I don't think you should have a problem learning a couple of new tricks.

Excuses, excuses. You just don't want it enough. I respect your right to disagree, however, and that's where I'll leave it. This is getting off topic, and I'd rather not disrupt the thread. Have fun in those jujitsu classes.
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Excuse me! What about a guy in a wheelchair? I am going to have to think you are just joking around or trying to get everyone riled.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by SheopleNation
 


Hey, don't be painting canada as something it is not. We are nowhere near a gunless society or anti-gun, it varies province to province, and even town to town, as it does in the US.


Well I have heard different. However, you would know better than me being that I am an American. I stand corrected. Oh and I love Cananda. It's a very beautiful country. ~$heopleNation



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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Don't sweat it. There are places in both the US and Canada that are pretty antigun in their laws. NYC is a really good example, while where I lived in upstate NY, every male over 13 had a gun, and a lot of the girls did as well. When I make the move back to the states, I plan on going somewhere that I can open carry without having to grovel to some authority figure for the privilege



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:00 PM
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If a person wants to take out many people, they will do it..with or without gun control.

Gun control IMO merely puts restraints on law abiding citizens.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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So and then the rats and mice will be out of control - trading one problem for another is nonsense.


Hold on. No one said anything about mice. If there's a mouse problem, there's another solution for that. Jail time, or hell.
What works for one problem, will not work for another. And if solving one problem creates another, IMPROVISE. That's what we're good at, right?

Stop making excuses and start making solution. People are getting shot, people are dying because of guns. Because even if good people don't want to use guns, bad guys will. What do you do in that situation, hmm? Some people hate guns, so they refuse to carry them. Then they meet some guy who has a gun, and what's more, he has no problem shooting an innocent old lady in the face for her money. What's she supposed to do?

If guns were outlawed, that man would never have had a gun. And even if he did, that old lady would have a taser, because it would be advised. Replace all mace with tasers. Let's see a man fire a gun when he has 2,000 volts pouring through his groin.

We don't need guns. We have electricity. I've never seen a man pick a fight with lightning and walk away the same.
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You said your real point it ALL guns are bad and must go. Ok how do you think that could come about? Do you honestly think if the average citizen is banned from gun use that will trigger guns being removed from Police, criminals, Government and Military? Who will disarm them?



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by JayFlores
Yes, gun control is the answer. Hold the weapon FIRMLY in your hand......thats gun control. That and hitting your target with the first round.


Exactly how I feel!


Remember people "gun control = shot placement".





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