CNN: "Is Gun Control The Answer?" Here We Go Again.

Well that was fast. Couldn't even let the smoke clear before making it political. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.

The headline on the front of CNN: Is Gun Control The Answer?

But then the ACTUAL report headline: Gun control or carry permits won't stop mass murder.
www.cnn.com...

Very conflicting as one asks a question but the article headline answers it. Many won't follow the link but will just see the first page of course.

And now there will be weeks and months of debate on the issue yet again. Politicians will rally for and against, Obama will take whichever side is the most popular and it'll lead right into statements and debates thru the elections.

I stand my ground on this. If the people in power are the only ones that have guns, the citizens will have lost their last tool to fight for liberty. Those in power are slowly taking away every right and freedom from the citizens. Without the ability to protect yourself, family, property...you might as well just put your hands up now.

And then we have this. Is this another push towards even more intrusive surveillance from Big Bro? Will people agree to it in order to be 'Safe'?
Is this the REAL agenda?

In the short term, there will probably be security specialists who will recommend ways in which our public spaces could be better protected. Sadly, mass shootings have occurred in shopping malls, schools, restaurants, health clubs, churches, courthouses, post offices, almost any place that people congregate. None of us would wish to turn our public spaces into tightly secured fortresses.

I do like this statement tho. It rings truer than most arguments I've heard on the subject:

If one thing is predictable about mass shootings, however, is that they will spark arguments from gun control advocates and gun rights groups alike. Both sides of the gun issue will probably view this tragedy as one more example of why more or less gun control is the answer ... and both sides will be wrong.

Ok, this I didn't know:

(The number of mass murders in the U.S. has remained fairly steady, averaging about two dozen cases a year since the mid-1970s.)

2 mass murders per Month in the US since the mid 70's? Is this true or was it thrown into the article to stir anti-gun sentiment? If anyone can confirm this, thanks.

And to end it:

Mass murder is regrettably one of the painful consequences of the freedoms we enjoy.

I have to think about the statement although I do agree with the premise.

Peace

What makes my crazy is they call this "Horror at Theater 9"

Likes its a damn movie of the week.

Gun control is not the answer. Gun control turns anybody who owns a firearm of any sort into a criminal. That is collective punishment, and America is supposed to be about individual rights.

Now, I have no problems with increasing jail time to a minimum of ten years without parole for committing a crime with a firearm, if convicted.

But no, I am not in favor of firearm control of any sort.

It is a right, not a privilege.

No. Gun control does not work.
Will not work
Will never work.

But they'll do it anyway because intelligent people don't talk and ignorant people don't shut up.

You'll have masses of morons calling for gun control soon, just because they think it works. Its dumb beyond belief. There should be -less- gun control. Allow intelligent, safe gun users to open carry or conceal carry and you'll have far less crime.

Originally posted by Frankenchrist
What makes my crazy is they call this "Horror at Theater 9"

Likes its a damn movie of the week.

The MSM loves their drama and the headlines will be splashed with it.

Wait for the movie.

Peace

Originally posted by AzureSky
No. Gun control does not work.
Will not work
Will never work.

But they'll do it anyway because intelligent people don't talk and ignorant people don't shut up.

You'll have masses of morons calling for gun control soon, just because they think it works. Its dumb beyond belief. There should be -less- gun control. Allow intelligent, safe gun users to open carry or conceal carry and you'll have far less crime.

Agreed. And soon it will be "Won't someone PLEASE think of the children?" Used every time.

I believe this time it's going to get real ugly for the gun/no gun debates.

Peace

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Gun control and carry permits won't stop murder, but it'll sure as hell make it more difficult. Plus, more consequences should you be caught with one. With a nation-wide ban on firearms using projectiles, how easy do you think it will be to use a gun without having every cop in the state looking for you?

Guns will be like leaving a fingerprint at a crime scene. I'm all for this gun control thing. I hate guns. Guns used to be a good thing, but now, there's too much temptation. We're too out of control. And when a cat gets too wild...

You take its claws away.

Of course because taking guns out of law abiding citizens hands is the answer.

I still find it rather convient that we have been hearing this un small arms treaty for weeks and now this happens.

I'd argue this would never of happened in tx or Vermont, places where a ccw permit is easy to get or unnecessary...

Timing is just to damn perfect during and election year with this gun control treaty already in the works.


Remember have a solution, than create the problem...

I'd like to know this shooters extensive history as well...

Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by AzureSky
No. Gun control does not work.
Will not work
Will never work.

But they'll do it anyway because intelligent people don't talk and ignorant people don't shut up.

You'll have masses of morons calling for gun control soon, just because they think it works. Its dumb beyond belief. There should be -less- gun control. Allow intelligent, safe gun users to open carry or conceal carry and you'll have far less crime.

Agreed. And soon it will be "Won't someone PLEASE think of the children?" Used every time.

I believe this time it's going to get real ugly for the gun/no gun debates.

Peace

If i hear that phrase.
I will start sacrificing them.
In the most innocent way possible. Haha.

This snippet says it all for me.

Mass killers are determined, deliberate and dead-set on murder. They plan methodically to execute their victims, finding the means no matter what laws or other impediments the state attempts to place in their way. To them, the will to kill cannot be denied.

The idea of Gun control stopping mass murders is complete stupidity. If someone wants to kill a lot of people it is not exactly hard to make a bomb.

This has nothing to do with gun control and everything to do with a tragic event. Leave the politics out of it (directed at the media) thank you.



S&F

Originally posted by boncho
This has nothing to do with gun control and everything to do with a tragic event. Leave the politics out of it (directed at the media) thank you.

S&F

100% correct Boncho...couldn't agree more.

Peace

Originally posted by TechUnique
This snippet says it all for me.

Mass killers are determined, deliberate and dead-set on murder. They plan methodically to execute their victims, finding the means no matter what laws or other impediments the state attempts to place in their way. To them, the will to kill cannot be denied.

The idea of Gun control stopping mass murders is complete stupidity. If someone wants to kill a lot of people it is not exactly hard to make a bomb.

edit on 26/10/2010 by TechUnique because: (no reason given)

If you want to kill people there are so many ways to do so. Guns have nothing to do with it. What's next? Knives? Sling shots? Bows? Spears?

Any one of those weapons can kill and if you want mass effect we have poison, arson, bombs...

A killer will do their thing no matter what the obstacles.

Peace

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Of course because taking guns out of law abiding citizens hands is the answer.

That's always the response. "Law abiding citizens need guns to defend themselves."

They only need guns against bad guys who also have guns. Half the time, it's bad guys who used to be law abiding citizens suddenly grabbing their gun and going berzerk. Take away all guns, and we'll only have knifes and sticks to fight with. Better chances all around. If you know some good self defense, a guy with a knife might as well be a clown with a banana.

Level the playing ground a little, yeah?

Rep. Paul Broun on the UN small arms

Ill tell you exactly how and why this happened.

Id like to point peoples attention to this thread yesterday BEFORE this incident...

Watch the vid in the thread.



Heres the thing, this is why it happened, this is the response I put in that thread.

I smell fearmongering somewhere, can't put my finger on it though... WHO gives a flying F---. Fear monger all he wants, if even one bit of this is true it should be fought. Hell even if its not lets make a big enough stink over it that they would think twice next time they even try to pen something that even HINTS they want to take our Rights to GUNS. I Care not if I sound like a fear monger, Nor do I care if I sound like some Crazy Conspiracy Tin Foil hat wearing NUT. This can not stand period.

You see, Americans are TOO tied to their gun rights... This was my response to a HINT of it, I can imagine many here feel the same.

I am not saying this is a response to the thread, BUT the response to the Attitude shown in the thread.

The only way americans give up their rights is through Atrocities, we already proved it with 9-11, enough horror and terror and we will let go of our rights freely.

Prepare for a wave of these type of incidents... that is if this one doesn't push through the laws they want.

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We can make it harder though. We've already made certain chemicals and materials unavailable to the average citizen, and restricted within government organizations. Why not guns?

Tasers work just as well. Give people tasers, and let them work out their differences. Tasers don't kill instantly, and if you build it so that it only goes so high in voltage, then everything should work out alright.

Guns are so easy, we've forgotten what we can do without them. So stupid.

I can't help but think that if someone else in the theater had a CWP and was carring, then this would have ended much faster and with much less violence.

I think the answer is for more people to carry legally.

You know who else likes Gun Control? Communists and other central-state regimes.

You know who has killed more people than lone-gun individuals? Communists and other central-state regimes - about a million times more.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

That's always the response. "Law abiding citizens need guns to defend themselves."

Yeah, *snip*, I am one of the Law abiding Citizens that has used a gun to defend himself...

I never tell this story as it still hurts me to this day, Ive never mentioned it on ATS, when I was 23 I shot an armed intruder in my house.

It was the reason I moved from the L.A. area to the boonies in the first place.

TO this day I still have dreams about what I did that night, and to this day I would do it again.

Come take my guns, Ill give them gladly to anyone who wants them, starting with a bullet at a time.

MY gun saved my Wife and I's life.

Go sell your fear of guns elsewhere.

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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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We can make it harder though. We've already made certain chemicals and materials unavailable to the average citizen, and restricted within government organizations. Why not guns?

Tasers work just as well. Give people tasers, and let them work out their differences. Tasers don't kill instantly, and if you build it so that it only goes so high in voltage, then everything should work out alright.

Guns are so easy, we've forgotten what we can do without them. So stupid.

We would have to go back in time in order to stop the first gun from being made.

Unfortunately, we live in a gun controlled World and if the mad men at the top are in control of all the guns, what then?

Not a place I would want to be.

Peace