Mass shooting in Aurora, CO (At Batman Film Premiere)

Two days ago - www.foxnews.com...

Sometime later this week, the UN will finally unveil its Arms Trade Treaty. The exact date the treaty will be released is a secret.

Russia, China, France -- with its new Socialist government -- Britain and the Obama administration are writing the treaty behind closed doors. Yet even if the final treaty is being kept under wraps, we still have a pretty good idea of some of the requirements that will be in it.

The group writing the treaty is not promising. Russia and Britain ban handguns and many other types of weapons. The possession of guns for self-defense is completely prohibited in China. The Obama administration is undoubtedly the most hostile administration to gun ownership in US history, with Obama having personally supported bans of handguns and semi-automatic weapons before becoming president. And remember the recent scandal where the Obama administration was caught allowing guns go to Mexican drug gangs, hoping it would help push for gun control laws.

It seems this was planned in order to garner American support for Obama to sign this UN gun control treaty.The next two weeks the media are going to exploit the deaths of these 12 innocent people and the other injured people.

Apparently this theater shooting is eerily similar to a theater shooting in a 1986 comic by a crazed loner and apparently the blamed Batman in the comic book even though he was not there.

www.washingtontimes.com...

It seems the powers that be like to read Batman comics.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Lannister

 

Let's not forget about Heath Ledger too. Something about the Batman series.

Exactly how sadistic have these comics and movies become, I don't know.

edit on 103131p://bFriday2012 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)

As you posted, and I later I didn't know you did already, this Batman offshoot was drawn by Frank Miller. Frank Miller has a very dark sense about him. If you don't know his work, 300 ,should give you a little idea. Sin City is another one, and Complete Works are the rest. He does have his fans who enjoy the art of his work, not the psycho-ness of it. Then, you have the psychos who take everything literally and well, here we are. Very sadly. Stan Lee has done some messed up story lines in his day, trust me, I've seen them. If people were killed over them, there wasn't public notice about it. It's possible. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying maybe it was early enough that national papers or radio, or what-have-you, didn't pick it up. And sadism in comics goes back a very long ways. 50's or earlier. So I wouldn't blame it on today really. I honestly don't know what the cause is. Maybe it's a mix of things.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Folks talking about the emergency exits and alarms, I have 2 thoughts. Most theatres I've ever been in do NOT arm any fire alarms on the rear exit. It isn't just a fire exit, it is a regular exit also. BUT, on the flipside of that, at a midnight showing, and an over-crowded theatre, they ALWAYS post some kid by the door to make sure everyone has a ticket and nobody is sneaking in. Also, if the door was propped open, there would be a sliver of light from the outside parking lot, and that would be very annoying in a dark theatre. NO WAY it could have stayed propped open for close to an hour without someone noticing, getting annoyed, and shutting it.

I mean, I guess it is what it is, but leaving and re-entering a packed theatre through a rear exit door without help from someone inside seems almost impossible on an opening night for a big movie.

This guy had help... no way he kicked that door in.

Crazy what happened in Denver.Is it a lone gunman or 2 man team.Did the people go alone or Terror Militia type group affil...

Originally posted by FreeFromTheHerd

Originally posted by lacrimaererum

GUNS are made to kill other human beings. A gun's sole purpose is to kill.

Cars are made to transport people. Unfortunatley they can sometimes be misused.

Wrong again, but spoken like a true peasant

A guns sole purpose is to fire a projectile. Where said projectile goes it determined entirely by its human operator.

I own many guns. If a guns purpose is to kill, are mine defective since none of my guns has never been used to kill anything?

How does it feel to have such a paralyzing fear of an inanimate object?

Perhaps you are the one who needs a mental health evaluation.

edit on 20-7-2012 by FreeFromTheHerd because: (no reason given)

spoken like a true peasant? really? on dear.

you can twist your belief of what a gun is whatever way you want.

the simple truth is that is for killing. plain and simple.

a gun is for killing.

open your eyes, open your heart, open your soul.

i am sorry to inform you that i fear nothing sir.

those that are scared and live in fear carry weapons.

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Not really. The tickets for this event were already sold out so they got their money. They couldn't sell any more tickets so why would they care to have someone at the door making sure no one got in for free ?

reply to post by violet


In all the theaters in my town, the exits in the theaters themselves do not alarm. When the shows end, many people use the exits. It would be easy to prop open on the way out for reentry. Also, there are not ushers in the theater until after the shows to clean up.

Nothing about this nuts plans or process seem difficult or unusual for any joe off the streets to accomplish.

Originally posted by DrHammondStoat
That may be true who knows.

I know. It is true.

I have been following this since the moment it happened, before it was even on the news.

Originally posted by Laokin

Originally posted by r2d246

Originally posted by Unity_99

Originally posted by SUICIDEHK45
reply to post by r2d246

 

SWORD
SWORD

Wooden swords are better than real ones.

Why all these false flag attacks?

We had 2 in Canada, one in Toronto and one in Quebec. Like I said Canadians can't even defend themselves with spray against rapists, but the Thugs are armed.

So what little immature stupidity are the dark side doing. They're so lacking in intelligence and so transparent.

WHY?

Why the urgency to disarm?

Is it that the lights are going to go out, and then they have mobs of Sharia say, thugs, and miltia waiting to kill whole families, and behead people?

I've read enough possibilities and considering how low brow they truly are, tend to prepare for the worst case scenarios and hope for the best.

Its time to be fully armed and responsibly trained. Peace. Love. And Serve and Protect our Families.

edit on 20-7-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

Personally I'm glad most everyone is unarmed up here. Makes me feel safer knowing the best most could do is pull a knife. But if I knew lots of people were packing heat that would suck. It would still be the wild wild west. Someone disrespects you or cuts you off in traffic and you whip out your gun and bust a cap in there azz. By all means, a very modern and civil way to handle a conflict.

Because that's realistic....

Why would you bust a cap at anybody who is likely to have guns as well...

Then account for the observers who are also likely packing.

In reality, the more guns there are, the less they get used, why? Because at worst you'll get shot. At best, you'll still get shot at.

Both situations suck, so why would you use it first? It's exactly the same logic all the world super powers apply to WMD's... it becomes MAD, mutual assured destruction. Meaning, pulling out my glock 18c and letting off a mag is likely going to mean my own death, so why would I do it?

The answer is, you wouldn't.

The more guns there are, the less you use them. You said it yourself, you said, you like not having a gun because at best all the average person can do is pull a knife. So this means IF you had a firearm, you'd be MORE inclined to use it, because at best all the average person can do is pull a knife.

Now on the flipside, if everyone had guns, you wouldn't use it, because at worst you'd be dead and at best the average person is going to return fire.

Really sounds like a winning proposition right?

I mean, I guess you would be dumb enough to WANT to bring a knife to a gun fight, so when and if it happens to you, you'll deserve it.

This isn't the wild west anymore. And you aint in Kansas Dorathy!

Originally posted by senselessness
Again, trust me when I say 71 people were NOT "shot". There is a lot of errors being reported and spread around right now, and misspoken words.

12 people shot dead, 59 injured, that is 71 total. However, not all 71 were "shot". Some where just injured by tear gas / smoke inhalation, and shrapnel from a homemade bomb(s), and other injuries received while trying to escape, and not bullet wounds.

Homemade bombs? I did not see this anywhere, please provide info.

Also the guns were only recently purchased a month or 2 ago, which is why I suggest the bumpfire stock, newbie powertrip.

And I'd venture to suggest he was on some sort of drugs being that was his niche in education.

Ans, where are his roomies and what are their connections?

So it appears there's already politicians clamoring for stricter gun laws...

I guess you have to weigh the pros and the cons here. Why are civilians permitted to own guns? What is the logic behind that?

On the other hand, should civilians possess the right to own assault rifles?

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When I was a kid I made and used paper clip anti-locking devices at school a lot. It would hold the locking mechanism so the door couldn't be locked without removing the paper clip jamming it. Worked great. I could do this nonchalantly at age 7, never caught. Just a thought.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Folks talking about the emergency exits and alarms, I have 2 thoughts. Most theatres I've ever been in do NOT arm any fire alarms on the rear exit. It isn't just a fire exit, it is a regular exit also. BUT, on the flipside of that, at a midnight showing, and an over-crowded theatre, they ALWAYS post some kid by the door to make sure everyone has a ticket and nobody is sneaking in. Also, if the door was propped open, there would be a sliver of light from the outside parking lot, and that would be very annoying in a dark theatre. NO WAY it could have stayed propped open for close to an hour without someone noticing, getting annoyed, and shutting it.

I mean, I guess it is what it is, but leaving and re-entering a packed theatre through a rear exit door without help from someone inside seems almost impossible on an opening night for a big movie.

But, I was a rear emergency door not the one down the front side of the theater, so, no one would be looking behind. Unless they were trained military or CIA.

Originally posted by sirnukeem

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Folks talking about the emergency exits and alarms, I have 2 thoughts. Most theatres I've ever been in do NOT arm any fire alarms on the rear exit. It isn't just a fire exit, it is a regular exit also. BUT, on the flipside of that, at a midnight showing, and an over-crowded theatre, they ALWAYS post some kid by the door to make sure everyone has a ticket and nobody is sneaking in. Also, if the door was propped open, there would be a sliver of light from the outside parking lot, and that would be very annoying in a dark theatre. NO WAY it could have stayed propped open for close to an hour without someone noticing, getting annoyed, and shutting it.

I mean, I guess it is what it is, but leaving and re-entering a packed theatre through a rear exit door without help from someone inside seems almost impossible on an opening night for a big movie.

This guy had help... no way he kicked that door in.

edit on 20-7-2012 by sirnukeem because: (no reason given)

He didnt kick in the door, it seems he walked out acting like he was on the phone, propped the door open on the way out, and came back in.........simple really

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by Valhall
reply to post by miniatus

 

I'm not trying to argue with you, but I haven't seen anything that contradicts that he was wearing a gas mask. If there is some report, please let me know.

A gas mask is not bullet proof. I've seen nothing that indicates his face wouldn't have been a very viable target. Did I miss something?

The police stated he was wearing a riot helmet and carrying a gas mask when apprehended.. the gas mask covers your face .. his head and neck were protected.. in other words, the only place you could hit him to take him out would be his face.. he's a moving target, the room was filled with tear gas ( people have been admitted in the hospital to treat tear gas inhalation, that's been stated as well ) .. it's a very strong irritant .. it messes up your eyes and even makes it hard to breathe.. So to tell me someone, wearing no protection, no mask.. is going to take on a fully armored man with an assault rifle, shot gun and two hand guns.. is entirely mental .. they won't win it and if they do it's purely luck .. who would even be foolish enough to try unless they were cornered..

You always hear about people saying what they would do in this situation yet you rarely ever hear of anyone ACTUALLY doing anything.. it's easy to talk oneself up on a forum .. but when it comes down to it it's a different ballgame.. the fact the room was filled with teargas alone lets me know they are fantasizing about their heroics without any consideration for the facts of the environment/situation

Either that or people are thinking life is a video game.. we've even had soldiers in this thread who admit they couldn't have stopped it, especially with the tear gas consideration..

edit on 7/20/2012 by miniatus because: (no reason given)

A riot helmet isn't a kevlar, so it wouldn't have necessarily stopped a bullet. A gas mask certainly wouldn't.

In the North Hollywood incident, to which you refer, the police were shooting at armored individuals from longer distances with 9mm issue sidearms. Given that the vest does not cover arms, legs, face, face, or head, I would humbly suggest that an individual with a handgun could have gotten an incapacitating, (or at least enough to slow him down) hit with a CCW piece given the ranges one would expect in a theater. Given the detail of how people have been describing the incident, I wonder if the density of the tear gas was not as debilitating as we experience in the gas chamber in training.

Regardless, I fail to see how a person with a CCW shooting at him would have made matters much worse.

reply to post by kosmicjack


While listening to the police scanner chatter during the event, and after the event, I recall the police asking several times to turn off the sprinkler systems in the theater. So, I'm sure that is true.

reply to post by r2d246


Yes it's a curse, it seems.

Originally posted by Finalized

Bolded parts above, that is *NOT* standard operating procedure.... by removing the bodies, they potentially destroyed evidence... that isn't the correct procedure to just "calm the scene down".

Not blaming your mom, by why wasn't SOP followed?

edit on 7/20/2012 by Finalized because: (no reason given)

Good question. I only know what was done, not what was supposed to be done.

The night shift doesn't have many officers and the APD has had to get smaller in the current economic status, not an excuse for a breach of SOP, but during chaos sometimes action come before thought.

As an aside, this is the same police department that detained a whole intersection after a bank robbery to catch the perp about 6 weeks ago or so, there is a long ATS thread about it too. SOP may not be as important in Aurora to commanding police officers as it should be indeed.

There may be a story there...

God Bless,

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth


Wonder which song was playing?

edit on 20-7-2012 by theabsolutetruth because: (no reason given)

Interesting .. I wonder if he left whatever it was on repeat so neighbors would think he was still in the apartment after he left last night

This thread is about the incident and the particulars and speculation surrounding it. There are several other threads about the fall out, guns, etc. Let's all stick to the topic.