Mass shooting in Aurora, CO (At Batman Film Premiere), page 198


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reply posted on 27-7-2012 @ 03:52 AM by DrHammondStoat
Originally posted by flyswatter

I cant be positive that you've never been through a traumatic event, but I can take a pretty good guess as no. Myself, I have been through one, and I can absolutely agree that times surrounding the event can get hazy. Bodily injury or no bodily injury, it happens. Saying that it is "convenient" that she claims this and basically calling her a liar is just plain ignorant.



I don't think her story sounds blatantly untrue but I do question what she said about other people freezing up at the scene. I was under the impression that people either naturally react to these situations or as she said freeze.

The people that naturally react often remember EVERYTHING as the mind tends to slow things down so that you can act in the right way, it's a survival mechanism.

en.wikipedia.org...

Slow motion perception is perception of time in which things are perceived as moving slowly unlike everyday experience in some special situations like accidents. To a bystander watching this situation such as the accident, time is moving at a normal speed but to the individual in the accident, time seems like it has slowed down and they are able to think and act faster.


I was in a traumatic scenario myself once and I acted as if on auto pilot. Time seemed to have slowed down and I was aware of every detail. Still everyone's different and she definitely has her injuries.
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reply posted on 27-7-2012 @ 04:08 AM by DrHammondStoat
More on Carli Richards;

From her blog comments:

sinisterdreams.wordpress.com...


Adrianna on 07/27/2012 at 06:06 said: If you knew her, you would understand that this article WAS very much a ploy for money and attention to her modeling aspirations…..MIXED with a candid account of her experience. It isn’t all bad and it isn’t all good. She’s human though, so don’t call names. I hate to be against her in a way, but I very much do believe that she is using this tragedy for monetary gain and prompting herself as a model.


From www.akronnewsnow.com...


A four-year Navy veteran from Akron was among the dozens of people injured in the Colorado movie theater shootings last week. Gail Richards tells WKYC Channel 3 News that she believes her daughter's military experience may have saved her life.
22-year-old Carli Richards was hit with buckshot during the mass shooting at the midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises." (Courtesy: WKYC Channel 3 News) Carli graduated from Garfield High School before leaving Akron in 2008 to join the Navy. She is currently a fashion retailing student in Denver. Gail says her daughter, Carli, and her boyfriend ran to safety when they quickly realized gas canisters were released in the theater.


So she was in the military and some hav said she had aspirations to be a model. It has been pointed out before that some of the witnesses had online profiles as aspiring actors......
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reply posted on 27-7-2012 @ 06:42 AM by Manhater
Here's an another eyewitness to the event


www.wral.com...

"Seeing the canister fly and the gunshots being shot – that replays in my mind," said Derrick Poage, describing the night of July 20 when a gunman killed 12 people and injured 58 at a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora, Colo.

Poage, 22, who goes to college in Colorado, said he and his girlfriend were 20 feet away from the gunman when he opened fired and hurled a gas canister into the crowded, dark theater.

"When I see the fire coming out of the shotgun, that is when I feel it is real," he said.

"It was something I thought I had to to," he said. "I did not want her family not to have a daughter, and I did not know what I would do without her."

He found his girlfriend still standing near their seats, seemingly frozen in fear. He grabbed her arm and pulled her down when the gunman started firing again. When there was a break in the fire, they sprinted out. Both were unharmed.

"He keeps hearing the cries and the screams, he said, from men, women and children and tripping over people going out," she said.
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reply posted on 27-7-2012 @ 10:47 AM by IamMe14
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It's hard to keep up with Corbin since he's done about 800 interviews! I guess I havent seen all of them. Interesting about him not hearing the question.


reply posted on 27-7-2012 @ 10:56 AM by IamMe14
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Corbin Dates interview answering about a possible man with a goatee...

www.youtube.com...


reply posted on 27-7-2012 @ 11:40 AM by bluemirage5
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Hair sure is a dead give away......

perhaps in his mind it was planted he was the Joker....and we all know most Joker characters had green hair.

so I got to thinking

the woman from Toronto had red hair

is there a Dawn or a Golden Dawn character in that new Batman movie?

another poster on another thread mentioned this woman who dodged the Toronto shooting who died in the Colorado shooting, said on her twitter June 2nd (I think it was), she saw a man dressed as Batman outside the Eaton Shopping Centre. If anyone checks, there is a street that runs paralle to the centre and it's called James Street.

or maybe it's just coincidence? Nothing is a coincidence in this shooting!

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reply posted on 27-7-2012 @ 12:50 PM by theabsolutetruth
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Kind of weird but if I was asked to connect these two things ''Holmes'' and ''red hair'' I would say Tom Cruise, because the Katie Holmes thing is current and Nicol Kidman was famous as a redhead when married to Tom Cruise. Also if anyone asked me who would hate a Neuroscientist, especially one studying the links to Neurology and behaviour, I would say Scientologists, because as a religion they do not believe in Neuroscience. If I was asked about groups involved in mind control I would say Scientologists, because they do, this has been proven. leaked and widely circulated as fact.

Whilst this isn't an accusation, maybe there is something going on the world on some level that brought this about.

There are organizations that work on actual dimensions, there are corporations, governments and religions that operate on this level, everything isn't always as it appears, in fact it most often isn't.

There are intentional subliminal messages everywhere, as well as powerful symbolism and archetypes that have been ritualistically programmed into national psyche's that most are unaware of.

These symbols and archetypes affect the psyche, as they are fundamental from the start of the evolution of humanity and are ingrained at core level.

There are fight or flight mechanisms that can be activated by symbolism, this is used for controlling populations and everyday behavior and practices.


reply posted on 27-7-2012 @ 12:58 PM by theabsolutetruth
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This is where Corbin says the guy was 5'8 or 9 then when asked specifically about the guys build and if it was the same guy that took the call that came in the door at around 1:35, he said he couldn't hear, the line got fuzzy and Corbin's voice alters.




reply posted on 27-7-2012 @ 02:14 PM by IamMe14
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She asked a damn good question, too bad he couldn't answer. I don't give much weight to the height discrepancy. I'm exactly 6' and even in good lighting people will guess my height anywhere from 5'10 to 6'2. Some people are just really bad at guessing that. So add the dark room, the SWAT gear and other factors it would be easy to mistake height.

It seems that Corbin does feel there were two different people involved. He's very lucky too, 2nd row 4th seat from the right seems like he was in incredible danger as that's where the shooter had the best angle of.

Corbin says one thing that caught my attention, he states 10 min later the movie shut off and he didn't know where the gunman was. The police audio states it was an officer who was in the theater who called for the movie to be shut off. So was corbin in there 10 min later while the officer was in there?? That would mean Corbin stayed for about 8 minutes in there with no shooting going on. That's a long time since the best estimate is the shooting was about 60-90 seconds. Why would he stay in there so long? Odd.


reply posted on 27-7-2012 @ 03:24 PM by theabsolutetruth
Originally posted by IamMe14
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post by theabsolutetruth



She asked a damn good question, too bad he couldn't answer. I don't give much weight to the height discrepancy. I'm exactly 6' and even in good lighting people will guess my height anywhere from 5'10 to 6'2. Some people are just really bad at guessing that. So add the dark room, the SWAT gear and other factors it would be easy to mistake height.

It seems that Corbin does feel there were two different people involved. He's very lucky too, 2nd row 4th seat from the right seems like he was in incredible danger as that's where the shooter had the best angle of.

Corbin says one thing that caught my attention, he states 10 min later the movie shut off and he didn't know where the gunman was. The police audio states it was an officer who was in the theater who called for the movie to be shut off. So was corbin in there 10 min later while the officer was in there?? That would mean Corbin stayed for about 8 minutes in there with no shooting going on. That's a long time since the best estimate is the shooting was about 60-90 seconds. Why would he stay in there so long? Odd.


I would say the height thing could be a factor. 7 inches is a lot of height, 5'8 is rather short for a guy, 6' is tall and 6'3 is very tall, like Tom Cruise standing beside Will Ferrell, or a 5' woman beside a 5'8 woman. Besides, Corbin looks around 5'8 so he should know his height. His witness creds maybe are questionable though, but he could be telling the truth.If the guy was 5'8 or 9 and wearing a goatee then that involves someone else.

I would think that people would be saying ''tall''a lot, like ''some tall guy sat in front then went to the exit'' or ''the guy was really tall'' because it would be very apparent. People as witnesses, like to describe all the details they can because the nature of their experience is that they want the culprit caught, and generally use adjectives freely. Suspiciously, there is a lack of adjectives from any of the witnesses.

Corbin should be questioned further with regards to staying in the theatre for the duration, also I recall reports that the police were on site within 7 mins of initial calls to emergency services, so if the shooting ceased within 2 mins he would have realised and presumably made an assessment of the situation, like it was safe to vacate the area, presumably he would want to do this due to the tear gas atmosphere, if the reports of tear gas are accurate, unless blinded laying on the floor, in which case he would probably mention this. This is another conspicuous lack of adjectives from witnesses, like ''my eyes were burning so couldn't see'' or ''we just lay there blinded and hoping'', but the likes of Seeger saying ''he just went up the stairs shooting at anybody that was trying to escape'' if she was suffering from tear gas then she wouldn't know this, also how would she know this if she was laying on the floor the whole time?

The the whole ''SWAT gear'' ''dressed in black'' and ''dressed in red'' anomalies with all the other things like the gas mask, blood trail etc, there are so many things that don't add.


reply posted on 27-7-2012 @ 03:44 PM by IamMe14
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Do we know for sure what JH's height is? I've heard both 6' and 6'3". I agree 5'9 is a huge difference from 6'3 and would be hard to mistake. But 5'9 to 6' under those conditions I can see how a lot of people would mess that up. A minor thing to note is that with the helmet/mask he might appear to be a tad bit taller than actual height.

I am completely unfamiliar with tear gas, pepper spray, etc so I can't comment from experience. But witness from theater 8 said his wife recognized the smell coming thru the bullet holes (from some training she had done) and identified it as tear gas. So it is weird that more people did not describe extreme discomfort which I assume they would feel if it was actual tear gas.

Any one know how easy/difficult it is to get tear gas? Are the laws on it the same in all 50 states? As an example in California you can't get a switch blade or brass knuckles legally, but when I lived in AZ they sold them in the malls lol. First time I saw them I was shocked. Back on topic, i wonder how difficult it would have been for JH to get tear gas.
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