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Obama's Kenyan birth records discovered in British National Archives

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posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by six67seven

Originally posted by WhitePrideWW
If obama was not born in USA he needs to get kicked out of office because its the law that if ur not born in USA you connot be president!!


uhhh.. oh boy



I was going to say the name kinda says it all. Then I saw the spelling.




posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by spinalremain
reply to post by muzzleflash
 


I'm not the one making the claims, Muzzle. General consensus through official processes has ruled the POTUS eligible and almost finished with his first term.


So as long as we have "General Consensus" , it doesn't matter if a law is broken?

So when the Sturmabteilung committed Kristallnacht, due to the general consensus, it was legitimate and legal right?

I mean if we all agree to do evil it's suddenly good right?


Point is, general consensus has no bearing on the truth. People are wrong sometimes, or have motives that mislead them into making the wrong choices.

Since "General Consensus" is so important to you, that means you must believe everything the MSM on TV says also right?

You really tripped up there buddy.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by MajorKarma
 


Good post, but I disagree on one point.

That Obama is the agent of our destruction.
Nope, not really.

You and I, and our fellow countrymen, are the real agents of destruction.

It is our ignorance and our lack of caring about affairs around us, our desire to believe everything authority tells us without question, our gregarious nature and herd mentality, that have brought upon our destruction.

This nation took millions of people to build, and it certainly takes millions of people to tear down.


Well now, talk about "Perspective"! If you pull back far enough there is zero doubt that the real problem with the United States of America or humanity in general is "Humanity"..people are of course their own worst enemies but if you start looking at things from that perspective, it won't be long before you are agreeing with the Globalists whose goal is to kill off 80% of the world population and yes, if 80% of the world population were to die off through some kind of survival of the fittest and the science and knowledge of humanity was not lost, the planet would take a deep breath, nature would bloom like it has not in thousands of years and "For Some" it would be heaven on earth. However, you and I and most of who we love and care about would not be enjoying life. I slip this is...I full well expect our country to implode and erupt into sever tyranny that provokes civil war, which is why I have a ship and am prepared to sail away within hours because I damn well intend that my children or at least my bloodline will go forward and maybe inherit the earth.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by WhitePrideWW
its the law that if ur not born in USA you connot be president!!


and of course you can show us this law?


Seriously? Ever use Google? In 30 seconds you will be returned with thousands of hits that will explain that it's part of the eligibility requirements in a little document entitled the United States Constitution. Both the President and Vice President must meet this requirement.

Would you like me to explain why or do you have enough information to find this out for yourself?


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posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by WhitePrideWW
its the law that if ur not born in USA you connot be president!!


and of course you can show us this law?


U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 1

Try not to be so ignorant. Check your facts before you post or are you saying our Constitution is not relevant when you use the term "Law:?



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by MajorKarma

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by WhitePrideWW
its the law that if ur not born in USA you connot be president!!


and of course you can show us this law?


U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 1

Try not to be so ignorant. Check your facts before you post or are you saying our Constitution is not relevant when you use the term "Law:?


Here is how debates on anything legal work on ATS, or anywhere else for that matter even in real life.

Person # 1 "Wow the law book says X"
Person # 2 "I believe in Y and X is a hoax"
Person # 1 "But the law book says X!!!"
Person # 2 "The law book clearly says Y, and I don't need to look at it to know this."

So essentially this is not even a fair playing field.
Don't you know, when it comes to LAW, some guy's opinion clearly overrides anything written down in a law book?

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posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by MajorKarma
U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 1


Nothing there about having to be born in the USA.... but we all know birthers are not interested in facts!


are you saying our Constitution is not relevant when you use the term "Law:?


No, I am saying birthers do not understand the constitution!



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by MajorKarma
U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 1


Nothing there about having to be born in the USA.... but we all know birthers are not interested in facts!


are you saying our Constitution is not relevant when you use the term "Law:?


No, I am saying birthers do not understand the constitution!


What is this kindergarten?


No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


Learn to read?

That's Clause 5 by the way.
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Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 "Qualifications for office"
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posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
What is this kindergarten?


No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.



The claim was "its the law that if ur not born in USA you connot be president"

Where is that stated there? Birthers have a huge problem with reading comprehension, and like to make things up!



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by muzzleflash
What is this kindergarten?


No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.



The claim was "its the law that if ur not born in USA you connot be president"

Where is that stated there? Birthers have a huge problem with reading comprehension, and like to make things up!


I believe the claim was that one must be properly and legally considered a "Citizen".

But then again there are all sorts of claims of every shade. Most of them illegitimate.

So it's clear you are picking the easier targets and ignoring the hard targets. Cherry picking.

Why is it so hard for you to face the actual text itself and I don't know, explain why in your interpretation that the text doesn't mean what it appears to mean? You haven't even given any legitimate reasoning for why that specific line means what you claim it means versus what others claim it means.

I'm not easily convinced but having genuine effort to find the truth would be in your favor.
But just blanket denials and cherry picking and twisting the debate makes your angle appear corrupted by bias and opinion founded upon ignorance.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
I believe the claim was that one must be properly and legally considered a "Citizen".


You appear incapable of reading a thread - try reading the post I refered to again
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Why is it so hard for you to face the actual text itself and I don't know, explain why in your interpretation that the text doesn't mean what it appears to mean?


Why are you incapable of reading a post in a thread? the post stated

"If obama was not born in USA he needs to get kicked out of office because its the law that if ur not born in USA you connot be president!!"

So where does the constitution state you must be born in the USA to be President?

It doesnt of course, and so again we have birthers twisting the facts!


You haven't even given any legitimate reasoning for why that specific line means what you claim it means versus what others claim it means.


the line does not mention being born in the USA...


your angle appear corrupted by bias and opinion founded upon ignorance.


You appear the ignorant one here, unable to even read a post in this thread!



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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I've never really been that interested in this theory because in the end it doesn't matter the government does what it wants, BUT it is a credible point. I mean.. the government addressed it and gave a version of his birth certificate. If it was cut and dry they wouldn't have addressed it. There must be people questioning in high places and real doubt on where he was born for that to have happened.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:32 PM
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I know with every fiber of my being that Obama is a Kenyan fraud! He will not be around to fill a second term because he will be serving a very long sentence.President Paul will likely pardon him though and Romney as well.


ETA: This thread is a who's who of shill's though!

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posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by whateverpedia
So, let me get this straight.

The black guy must provide his birth certificate, however the white guy with all his money tied up in various tax havens doesn't have to provide his tax records.

OK.



I love when the race card is played. It shows the lack of knowledge associated with people that play it. Tax records are clearly different from a birth certificate when using them in the context of eligibility to become POTUS. Link for your race card approval.

Edit: I'm not saying they are the same however, when not using them in the context of eligibility to become POTUS!

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posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by ajay59
I know with every fiber of my being that Obama is a Kenyan fraud!


Lucky for the USA then that courts etc rely on facts, not someone's hatred to determine what happens!



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Look, The Obama Bots will never believe anything bad about his Royal Dickness no matter how much proof you have. I am just sitting back waiting for them to line up to get their microchips implanted. After they may or may not realize that they are prisoners of King Obama we can all sit back and laugh while the resistance is formed.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by kcs7272
Look, The Obama Bots will never believe anything bad about his Royal Dickness no matter how much proof you have.


Except that the birthers have zero proof - remember that they have lost every court case they have tried, as all they have are made up stories and lies! The courts have also stated that their so called "experts" are not even experts!

but still the birthers refuse to accept reality, that obama is the legal POTUS.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by ajay59
I know with every fiber of my being that Obama is a Kenyan fraud!


Lucky for the USA then that courts etc rely on facts, not someone's hatred to determine what happens!


You mean rely on the WORD of the HDH, who when pressed, by a law enforcement sworn posse, hid like little cowards behind every state statute they could find to impede the investigation.

It'd be nice if you called a spade a spade, even for once spoor.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by muzzleflash
What is this kindergarten?


No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.



The claim was "its the law that if ur not born in USA you connot be president"

Where is that stated there? Birthers have a huge problem with reading comprehension, and like to make things up!


Try reading the constitution, please - before you accuse others of reading issues. It really appears as if you have a comprehension issue. Try this:

#1. Open your web browser
#2 Type in "president natural born citizen requirement"
#3 Open the thousands of references to the Constitution that clearly explains this.

I remember learning this in 8th grade, yet because I believe Barry is lying, somehow all of a sudden I'm making a false "claim". Come to me with facts. You libs truly are cut from the same cloth - facts rarely support your argument, so just either revert to name calling or being dismissive - and pretend that's really not the law.

Suggest also reading why the founding fathers were adamant that this be a requirement for the highest office in the land.
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posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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If the constitution requires a person to be a natural born citizen shouldn't the burden of proof be on Obama? When something offered up as a birth certificate is shown to be false why isn't Obama resposible for proving that it is reliable and authentic proof. Then again if he isn't a natural born citizen who will do anything about it? Answer no one and no agency of the government will do anything about it.



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