Obama's Kenyan birth records discovered in British National Archives

Originally posted by NAMTERCES
I believe Obama has paid people to raise the birther issue. I think he is questioning his own birth. Why? Because it makes people look silly, his opponents get fixated on silly issues, and he gets to look alot smarter, as a result.

It's a scheme and a plot by Democrats to make Republicans and Tea Party people look foolish and incapable of running the country.

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A very good theory.

Except that they don't need help to look foolish and incapable. All they need to do is publish their policies.

Originally posted by karen61057

Originally posted by WhitePrideWW
If obama was not born in USA he needs to get kicked out of office because its the law that if ur not born in USA you connot be president!!

Just joined today White Pride?

Don't you find it astonishing that some people are actively defending the politicians (republicans) that have an agenda where they (some people) will be trodden even further down into the muck?

reply to post by totallackey

So what!!! It's not like anyone is going to do anything about it anyway...so...why bother discussing it? All people do is complain, complain, complain....like it's gonna change something. You complain, but then go back to work, the next morning.....furthering your support of the system you complain about. lol....WHAT A JOKE!

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Yes, that is correct...you did write that in PART...in total, however; you wrote the rest also....and the rest indicated you wanted to trash the portions of the Constitution you do not understand...

ETA: Why do you think the SCOTUS is required to define the term "natural born citizen?" Title 8, Section 1401 of the US Code settles the requirements quite nicely.

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Well, I think I need to actually see this document instead of just hearing about it, first.

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reply to post by yeahright


Not true.

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.

That's Ankeny and it's never once been overturned, or even really challenged (stupid birthers).

reply to post by longlostbrother

The thing that gets me about all the birther stuff: Who cares where he was born? His mother was an American citizen, he is by default an American citizen (unless his mother provably denounced her citizenship). Americans are born in many countries to woman on missionary projects, in government foreign service, in the military, on vacation, etc.

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What isn't true is your claim that it's an unsettled issue. It's settled and there's only one definition that any serious people - scholars, lawyers, historians, courts - use. The only people that think it's unsettled are birthers and people who have been blinded by their propaganda.

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There has been nobody blinded by the Government who is controlled by the same Bankers who own the Media? What???

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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There has been nobody blinded by the Government who is controlled by the same Bankers who own the Media? What???

Who can even guess what you mean by that gibberish, not me.

If you're attempting claim that all the courts and all the judges and all the scholars and historians that come down on the same side on this, the side that recognises that the 14th Amendment is based on jus soli, the side that sees that birthers lie endlessly about the law and history, if you're saying at all of those people are corrupt, and you and your cadre of birthers, a group known for generating political propaganda, are the only ones that known the "real" truth and are uncorrupt, then, as usual, you're simply trolling.

Fun for you and your one friend, but useless to people interested in facts.

Originally posted by AuranVector
They're supposed to have a microfilm copy of the entire British birth archives.]

What have the British birth archives got to do with Obama? You must not realise that this whole thread is just another birther hoax, Clinton was never in the UK as claimed, and there is no Public Records Act 1958 CHAPTER 52..

So this is just another attempt by some birthers to just make things up.

reply to post by yeahright


This is really quite amusing...You argue against Title 8 Section 1401, then post an article about McCain who qualified under Title 8 Section 1401? WTH?

Then you post an OPINION stating the definition needs to be above political reproach and ensconced in the Constitution...then you look to the SCOTUS to perform this operation...clearly OUTSIDE OF THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION!

And, then back to trashing the bits you do not understand...sorry if you do not understand why there should be a requirement for the US President to be a natural born citizen of the US...

I guess it really does not matter anymore though...

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reply to post by yeahright


What about Perkins v. Elg which states that anyone born in the US is a natural born citizen and even explicitly states that they are eligible to run for President? That seems like a pretty clear cut SCOTUS decision to me.

reply to post by Xcalibur254

You know what would be awesome? A presidential candidate "Throw Down". On live tv, for all the US to see, a physical handing over of all required documents in their original entirety, ALL of them, before the debate. Let's vet one of the most important positions in the US properly, by the people. We will have a list of the requirements posted, and check them off one by one. Better yet, vet them as you would a CEO applying for a job with a multi-million dollar company, check everything and publicize it live. Grades, financial status, experience running businesses, military/strategic experience, etc. We the public should be able to see these things. Of course we would have to appoint real people to procure these documents, people from the area where the documents are stored, and they would hold them before the debate, in a safe place.

Our elected officials are so d#$% corrupt, we could never actually have this happen. Would you trust the appointed people to procure the documents? I would not for either political party, and as a result, this is what we are left with.

But, we should ALWAYS question what our elected officials are up to, be they black, white, repub, dem, yellow, whatever, AND should have the freedom to do so without being labeled a racist, idiot, birther, libtard, repuke, whatever. There should be civil discourse, and frequently.