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*Breaking Confirmation* RNC source confirms Ron Paul's eligibility for GOP nomination

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posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by flashtrum

Originally posted by TKDRL
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What you are sir, is not a realist. You are a defeatist. Lay down and die before it is even over.



Nah, I'm a realist. And your're a real.......insert whatever you'd like for wanting a fellow ATS'er to die. Low and crude. I won't bother to watch your dumb video.

Come back to me after the convention and explain how I was wrong, because I won't be.


If you care more about being wrong or right than actually caring about doing actual good then you really need to re-consider why you're a supporter of Ron Paul.




posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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Lol....... I was not being literal. I was saying that you give up before it is over.......


Really funny. Not.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 01:00 AM
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President Paul! Get used to it. Just give in and and accept the inevitable! Come back any time and admit that you were wrong. I will be gracious and forgiving of your stupidity! If you can admit that you had been duped, (easily) you can be forgiven. If you campaign to hard for the dark side, your recovery may be more difficult. Turn now, before you are beyond recovery!



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 01:50 AM
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I can see this being a positive and a negative in various ways.

Positive: The President Obama campaign is geared up for a battle with Mitt Romney, the have probably even made commercials that aren't going to air for another month or two which will have eaten up their funds.
Positive: They don't have a strategy to battle Paul, and having to change gears will hurt them. They can't exactly stop running adds, but won't have any negative ads to run against Paul yet. This means they will have to run Pro Obama Ads and Obama can't run on his accomplishments very long.
Positive: All the negative Obama ads that Romney already bought will have to run their course so you have Obama stuck with fewer ads to run, while still getting attacked. He can't exactly attack Romney if that isn't the actual candidate.
Positive: Paul has such a grass roots base that they would flood the interweb with vote for Paul videos allowing Paul to get his ad campaign up to speed.

Negative: A candidate switch up might energize some of the pro Obama base that has held back donations because they think it's a waste of money or they can't afford it. An influx of cash would help his campaign.
Negative: Most people still don't know what Paul is about, and he has been out of the spot light for months. He would have to virtually start over.
Negative: The Mainstream media views Paul's grass roots supporters as crack pots. Most people rely on the Mainstream media to tell them how to think.
Negative: Paul has not vetted any VP choices yet and would need to rush though that which could hurt him.
Negative: Paul appeals to independents but not the Left wing, and he alienates many Right wing voters as well. He may have never picked up the Left, but the Right could just decide to stay home and not vote at all thus giving Obama the win.
Negative: Paul would need to raise money very fast, unless the Romney campaign can give him their funds. That would probably happen but not right away as Romney would be pouting for a little.

It's a very hard split between the positive and negatives of a possible Paul campaign.
It all comes down to "can he win?", the right can't run a candidate who is the best choice if he can't pull the votes from the center and maintain the right wing base.
It saddens me to say that parties can't run their best choice, but that's what elections have come down to.
It's who can win, not who can do the best job.

Well that's my take on it, it's up in the air and it's not a guaranteed shot at victory for Paul.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 02:24 AM
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Just gave you a star for that little speech. But it wont change who the next president of the US will be because A. The voter machines are rigged and B. The media is rigged and C. Not enough Americans raise up to change it which will end in D. A revolution in nothing but a few changes in thoughts that E. isn't enough to topple the people who control A & B.

BUT I hope you keep doing what you are doing, and I pray that eventually you do get enough people to notice these things and America has an honest to god Revolution because that is the only way these people might possibly get out of power.... BUT I highly doubt it. BUT I wish you the best. Goodluck.

I'm not a defeatist... I'm a realist.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:41 AM
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If only he was nominated...
I said it several times and will say it again. Even if his name is not in the ballot I will write down his name in CAP LETTERS and every American who wants him to win should do the same no matter what.

We need Ron Paul to be elected or it will really be over. If Romney wins it will take a little longer but eventually the same thing will happy as if Obama wins. If Obama wins that's it. I would give the Republic of the U.S. maybe another year or two and it will become "The Social/Democratic Republic of the U.S.", which will really mean "The Socialist/Fascist Nation of the U.S."

Let's continue hoping Ron Paul is elected and if not the Republic will be truly over...

edit on 21-7-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
If only he was nominated...
I said it several times and will say it again. Even if his name is not in the ballot I will write down his name in CAP LETTERS and every American who wants him to win should do the same no matter what.

We need Ron Paul to be elected or it will really be over. If Romney wins it will take a little longer but eventually the same thing will happy as if Obama wins. If Obama wins that's it. I would give the Republic of the U.S. maybe another year or two and it will become "The Social/Democratic Republic of the U.S.", which will really mean "The Socialist/Fascist Nation of the U.S."

Let's continue hoping Ron Paul is elected and if not the Republic will be truly over...

edit on 21-7-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)


At this point that's like cutting your nose to spite your face.
Unless Paul is poling over 50% in the nation a vote for Paul is a vote for President Obama.
Sure Romney isn't a the best choice, but he's slightly better than who we have now.

It would be great if Paul could win, but it doesn't look possible.
Even if he does win, the Republicans in congress would pout and then we would be left with a POTUS who can't get the left or the right in congress to work with him.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Pigraphia

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
If only he was nominated...
I said it several times and will say it again. Even if his name is not in the ballot I will write down his name in CAP LETTERS and every American who wants him to win should do the same no matter what.

We need Ron Paul to be elected or it will really be over. If Romney wins it will take a little longer but eventually the same thing will happy as if Obama wins. If Obama wins that's it. I would give the Republic of the U.S. maybe another year or two and it will become "The Social/Democratic Republic of the U.S.", which will really mean "The Socialist/Fascist Nation of the U.S."

Let's continue hoping Ron Paul is elected and if not the Republic will be truly over...

edit on 21-7-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)


At this point that's like cutting your nose to spite your face.
Unless Paul is poling over 50% in the nation a vote for Paul is a vote for President Obama.
Sure Romney isn't a the best choice, but he's slightly better than who we have now.

It would be great if Paul could win, but it doesn't look possible.
Even if he does win, the Republicans in congress would pout and then we would be left with a POTUS who can't get the left or the right in congress to work with him.


It would also be great if when you actually looked at the polls between Romney, Obama, and Paul and you saw where Paul tied and beat Obama more than Romney did, before saying silly things like that as if it were fact. Ron Paul has also done that when the media was blacking him out, he was still polling better than Obama even after Super Tuesday when most of the nation presumed that Mitt Romney was the nominee.

Ron Paul doesn't need to move congress, he only needs to move the people and has a proven track record of moving people in a speech with no notes or teleprompter.


Do some actual homework before presuming so much next time.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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Again, you're talking out of your ass. Have you actually personally talked to and discussed with voters from right, left, and middle about Ron Paul? I have, in almost every state so far.

If he was the Republican nominee, there is no doubt the right would support him. Of course democrats love Obama but Ron Paul would earn the votes of disenfranchised democrats and I've personally talked to many who are fed up with Obama that have decided to support Ron Paul for his civil rights/foreign policy stance. Middle? don't even think about it, Ron Paul has the middle locked up.

I live in Los Angeles and our Ron Paul grassroots office is located in Venice, an extremely BLUE popular beach town that has a high percentage of Ron Paul supporters vs Obama supporters.

If you really can't get how Ron Paul is the best candidate for middle, left and right then I understand why you make these uninformed posts.



posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 12:15 AM
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No sign of jj or outkast yet, so good job OP! I say when they get here we ignore them like no tomorrow. I mean, how much more proof do people need that Ron Paul is going to be our next president? How much more proof? Its blood from stone, its etched in the fibers of time. Ron Paul - 45th President of the US. Need I say more?



posted on Jul, 22 2012 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by eLPresidente
It would also be great if when you actually looked at the polls between Romney, Obama, and Paul and you saw where Paul tied and beat Obama more than Romney did, before saying silly things like that as if it were fact.

Ron Paul doesn't need to move congress, he only needs to move the people and has a proven track record of moving people in a speech with no notes or teleprompter.

Do some actual homework before presuming so much next time.


Let me try and do just a little bit of homework here.
This poll is from a Pro Ron Paul website and I only count 1 tie with President Obama, unless you have expanded the definition of "tie" to include margin of error which is normally 2-5% and isn't listed here.
Ron Paul Poll

Now lets look at this Gallup pole for Obama v. Romney, with results from April 11-15 which is just one day before the earliest poll above in which Paul lost by 1%.
Romeny Poll

Now on to your last comment about not needing congress and only needing the people.
The people don't write the bills Congress does, all the people can do is vote them out 2 years later if they refuse to do their jobs.
Oh sure the people can call and write in and create a stink, but the die hard pouting politicians won't care.
If Paul wins, and the congress pouts because of it, in two years the Left can run saying "See the right wing Congress and the right wing President accomplished nothing vote us back in to fix things".
To say that a President doesn't need to move Congress shows a lack of understanding of how our government works.
I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying the way it is right now.

So maybe it's you who should do a little homework, before you go off on a rant.
From a pro Ron Paul website no less all I found was 1 tie, and 0 wins...

Onto your second reply.

Originally posted by eLPresidente
Again, you're talking out of your ass. Have you actually personally talked to and discussed with voters from right, left, and middle about Ron Paul? I have, in almost every state so far.

If he was the Republican nominee, there is no doubt the right would support him. Of course democrats love Obama but Ron Paul would earn the votes of disenfranchised democrats and I've personally talked to many who are fed up with Obama that have decided to support Ron Paul for his civil rights/foreign policy stance. Middle? don't even think about it, Ron Paul has the middle locked up.

I live in Los Angeles and our Ron Paul grassroots office is located in Venice, an extremely BLUE popular beach town that has a high percentage of Ron Paul supporters vs Obama supporters.

If you really can't get how Ron Paul is the best candidate for middle, left and right then I understand why you make these uninformed posts.


I have talked with voters in the right, left, and middle.
The left those who are disenfranchised have expressed the sentiment that they might just skip voting at all, because President Obama screwed them but they don't want to vote Republican.
So Paul would have to win over people who think they might not even vote.
As for the middle, there are those that would vote for Paul, there are many more who don't know anything about him because the media won't cover him.
I addressed that in one of my negative points( you know all those positive and negatives that you simply didn't address in your gung ho prove that I don't know what I'm talking about rant).
For the right there are a few things, yes there are those that would vote for him.
There are others that don't know anything about him and he would actually have to win them over.
The right doesn't often vote blindly for right wing candidates, of all the right wing people I know if they don't like the right wing candidate they abstain from voting.
So no he wouldn't automatically get every right wing voter.

So yes I have talked to people, I'm not some interweb basement troll who lives their entire life online.

I do admire your passion, but your passion has blinded you to any negative hurdles.
I do think your replies need work, as you ignored just about all of my positive and negative points.
You seem to care more about bashing peoples faces in with your giant Ron Paul mallet of justice.
Any negative aspects no matter how rational are ignored.
That's actually a bad thing, you can't actually have a proper debate or convince others of your points if you just keep plowing through and ignore what they just said.

That's the #1 complaint people have about Paul supporters.
They don't discuss they just rant.
You should get off your high horse and stop being insulting.
High horses and insults don't convince people.

I support him, I'm also a realist as evident by my positive to negative points.
You need some perspective is all



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