Originally posted by Biliverdin
Hitler did though make the offer to withdraw from Poland in August 1940 in what is known as the Weissauer Peace Offer delivered to Victor Mallet via
Swedish intermediary, Dr Ekeberg from Dr Ludwig Weissauer. While Hitler did insist that Germany should retain Czechoslovakia, it only stipulated that
a Polish state be established. According to Mallet, Hitler wished to restore sovereignty to all the occupied territories and that he had no interest
in the internal affairs of any of those countries, with the exception of Czechoslovakia. Hitler reiterated that his primary goal was to re-establish
relations with Britain and he would make whatever concessions would facilitate that end.
I hadn't thought of the Weissauer Peace offer, in fact, I haven't read the name Weissauer in years :-)
I'm completely blown by how sophisticated your answer was. Haven't had such a reply in years on ATS ;-)
You are quite right, of course.
But my criticism still stands: All through this period, Hitler was pushing his generals for a Western offensive. This kind of contradicts his peace
stance in my book.
And bear in mind, that it was Hitler himself that called off the British invasion despite much protestation from the Wehrmacht who felt assured of
it's success. Realistically, at that time, had the Germans invaded, we would have been hard pressed to adequately defend ourselves, until we got the
US on board, we were inadequately short on military resources.
I'd have to disagree with that though. I'm most familiar with the german side of the story, some of the british details you provided I didn't quite
But what I do remember is that the Generals were totally opposed to Operation Seelöwe, going so far as openly telling Hitler that it wasn't
And I would still wager that Seelöwe was impossible. I do not see how it could have been achieved, US ressources or not.
In fact, from the literature that I have read, I'd say it was completely opposite to what you just portrayed: Hitler insisted on Seelöwe, the
generals opposed, and the whole story was rendered moot by the failure of the German air campaign against Britain.
What is defintiely true, though, is that Hitler (at least for a long time before the 40's) would have accepted almost any kind of deal with Britain
that would have granted him an open hand in the east.
With the rest of your well-written reply, I totally agree.
What I am unsure of, and quite unconvinced of, is that Hitler ever sincerely considered not occupying Poland for good. A pull-out from Poland would
have been strategically catastrophic in light of the Soviet presence there, considering that the Attack on the Soviet Union was the ground pillar of
Hitler's strategic plans.
Also, in light of the plans made for the east by his underlings, I do not see any possibility of Germany pulling out of Poland.
Polish territories had a strategic role to play in the eastern offensive that was irreplacable. That is the strategic argument.
The long-term argument would consist in the observation that Poland, or at least major parts of it, were an integral part of all long-term plans for
the east made by the Nazis.
It is for those reasons that I cannot convince myself of the genuiness of the offers made from October 6 on.
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NichirasuKenshin because: fixed quotes
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Edited to add: In your opinion, how do you reconcile the idea of the Nazis de-occupying Poland with what was envisioned in the Generalplan Ost?
How do you reconcile the annexation of Warthegau, Danzig-Westpreußen, Ostoberschlesien
with Hitler's supposed intention of giving back all of
Poland? I just don't think this can be reconciled.
Also, Himmler's big day came on October 7th, one day after the peace speech. As informed as you come over in this thread, I suppose you're familiar
with this (you know, Festigung des deutschen Volkstums and all that #). Is this really to be made congruent with the idea that Poland was ever to be
edit on 20-7-2012 by NichirasuKenshin because: added some questions to the poster who answered my post so impressively