posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 05:59 PM
When it comes to the Holocaust, reason and rational debate seem to fly out the window. People on both sides of the debate all seem to have strong
emotions and the debates always degenerate into name calling and personal insults.
I would like to see a thread that has an even-handed discussion of the topic. I'm hoping this can be the one.
As my name implies, I am a student of history and in particular of WW 2. My interest is no doubt tied into the fact that I was born in Germany
although I've lived almost all of my life in North America. For many years I believed that 6 million jews (among others) were killed in Nazi
concentration camps via gas chambers. I saw the videos of the walking skeletons that were the survivors, of the mass graves being covered over by
allied bulldozers, etc. and I was deeply ashamed of my ethnic heritage. But I read every book I could get my hands on about the war and in particular
about Hitler and his nazis.
And along the way I found some surprising and disturbing information. Aside from the fascist Italians, it wasn't just some Germans who were nazis.
They found people all over europe who shared the basic nazi ideology of racial superiority and resentment against the international jewish bankers
that Hitler blamed for Gemany's defeat in WW1. There were french nazis, swedish nazis, polish nazis, rumanian nazis and prior to the war there were
popular nazi movements in Britain and the US. Hitler's nazis found kindred spirits in every country they sent their armies into. What's disturbing
about this is that the Holocaust is not blamed on just the Nazis. Oh no. It's blamed exclusively on the German nazis and the German people as a whole
even though by the end of the war, Hitler's SS were arresting Christian Germans by the thousands and sending them to the concentration camps too but
that doesn't count apparently.
And as I read more and more books about WW2, I discovered that indeed, the victors really do write the history books and quite often there's a lot
more to what really happened and why than the victors want to admit to.
Take the Blitz on English cities for example. In the Hollywood movie, the Battle of Britain, it shows how contrary to standing orders, one German
bomber bombs london (by mistake due to a navigation error) and the British retaliate by bombing Berlin and then Hitler decides to retaliate as well,
etc. But here's what the movie doesn't tell you and what I found out from british historian David Irving.
Churchill ordered the RAF to bomb Berlin knowing full well that sooner or later Hitler would retaliate. The RAF bombed Berlin for seven days in a row
without any retaliation. Hitler then warned the British that if they bombed a German city one more time, he would retaliate in kind and Churchill
obliged him by immediately ordering another raid on Berlin. So the entire Blitz with thousands of civilian deaths on both sides could have been
avoided if Churchill had backed down but he wasn't as popular early in the war as he would become later and it's Irving's contention that Churchill
wanted German bombers to bomb English cities so that the English would rally around him. Is that in the history books (except for David Irving's)?
I was also surprised to learn that after Hitler's armies had defeated the Polish military and occupied the western part of Poland, which included the
the area that was German territory prior to WW1 and was occupied almost entirely by ethnic Germans, Hitler offered to withdraw from all Polish
territory except for the part occupied by ethnic Germans in exchange for peace. The British and French said no deal. Those two countries declared war
on Germany because of treaty obligations to protect Poland. Who also attacked Poland and ended the war in complete control of Poland? The Soviet
Union. Did the British and French declare war on the Soviet Union. Heck no! So much for guaranteeing Polish sovereignty.
What I'm getting at here is that there's a lot that's been left out of the mainstream history books about WW2. So now let's turn our attention to
the Holocaust. I started reading about that too. I found websites with what seemed to be convincing claims that jewish deaths by concentration camp
ranged all the way from 3.5 million down to zero. I didn't know what to believe any more. I found a video on Youtube made by an Israeli university
student, who visited Auschwitz and found all kinds of inconsistencies. I read about Ernst Zundel's trial in Canada where a forensic expert gave
evidence that samples of the walls of the alleged gas chamber at Auschwitz did not contain even the smallest traces of Zyklon-B gas but the smaller
room used to fumigate clothes with the same gas generated wall samples that were saturated with it.
I watched a video of David Irving who, by the way, contrary to what his detractors say, has always admitted that jews were killed by the nazis in
concentration camps AND elsewhere but he differs when it comes to how they were killed and how many were killed, say that among the many lies told by
the allies during the war ie. propaganda, he specifically cites a memo, he found in the British classified archives, from the head of MI5's
propaganda department that says that they've gotten as much mileage from the jews-killed-by-gas-chamber lie as they're likely to get and henceforth
they should stop pushing that lie because of the potential post war repercussions when the truth finally comes out. Wow!
So what IS the truth? it seems to me that if an entire ethnic group, including all future generations, is going to be accused of being inhuman
monsters, then that's an extraordinary allegation and needs to be supported by extraordinary evidence. So far I haven't found that extraordinary
evidence. I've found allegations, some of them even predating the war itself, that millions of jews were being systematically killed and I've found
lots and lots of lies. I know they're lies because most of them are mutually exclusive so they can't all be true. Based on everything I've read,
heard or seen to date, this is what I think is most likely what really happened.
Prior to the war, jews in Germany were less than 1% of the population and yet Germany's banks, courts, newspapers and theaters were dominated by
jews. The average German saw this disproportionate amount of wealth and power and resented it, especially when those jewish-owned banks foreclosed on
homes and businesses that the owners lost due to the Depression. So along comes Hitler and blames all of Germany's troubles on the International
jewish bankers (specifically the Rothschilds) and promises to restore national pride and prosperity if elected. He didn't promise to kill the jews.
What he did promise was to deport them and in fact, according to David Irving, he found 25,000 pages of memos and reports all dealing with plans to
deport German jews to Madagascar.
Also prior to the war, SS leader Himmler was prepared to allow all German jews to leave Germany in return for a ransom of the equivalent of $1,000 per
family. Jewish leaders in Switzerland, including future Israel leader Golda Meir, refused the deal. You can check this on
After the war started, deporting jews to Madagascar became impractical so the new plan was to resettle them in land conquered from the Soviets which
is why all of the concentration camps where jews were killed are in Poland, not Germany. Continued on next post.