A fine point because the President isn't the Government -- there are three branches. But the Congress isn't solely the Republicans filibustering -- as the Senate and the Democrats are also stonewalling. Basically the last year of President Obama's administration has been a quasi-lame duck session. All of Congress -- not just the Republicans is to be blamed equally; along with the president and along with an anemically ignorant populace.

DO NOT mistake me as a supporter of Obama. While I understand that the Republicans filibustering is not the the sole reason, my point is that the government as a whole is non-functional. Instead of playing the role of leaders they are acting as if they are adolescent children while this country wastes away. People are loosing jobs and homes at an alarming rate yet they can only bicker like children. President, Congress, and Senate. All of them need to be removed, yet the same career politicians that haven't done a damn thing will be put back into office to continue the complacency. My point is that government has become ineffective in all branches.

The only thing they actually can agree on is sending our young off to fight in countries that we should not be involved with.

I ask you this -- as your call to "remove all lobbyists" is oft uttered; how will this be accomplished? Remove the First Amendment right to petition your Government? While the current state of lobbyist is no fan of mine, calling for complete removal would be a direct violation of the First Amendment. So I ask again -- how would you remove them without trouncing on the First Amendment?

I said nothing about removing or infringing upon the First Amendment. Where I do have a problem with the lobbyists is the ability to pay large amounts of money to sway a decision or law in their favor. The Government is there to serve the people of this country, NOT THE HIGHEST BIDDER. Corporations are just as complicit in the problems of this country. If corporate interests were removed from Washington, perhaps they could do some good.

I ask you what is the actual benefit to the People of the United States allowing the Government to be bought by Corporations?

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The current state of the government is at its worst right now.

I don't think there's ever been a time within the nations history where the American people's concerns were so glaringly neglected. From the White House to all of congress. Someone make a dam compromise! There are changes that can be made if they work together for once.

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The only way to stop this is more tax cuts for the rich!!!

Hell, not that's probably not enough, we should PAY THEM!!!

We are dependent on jobs, therefore we aer dependent on the job creators.

yet people wonder why we fought as a country for the 40 hour work week, OT, vacation, safety laws, ETC

Another reason why the number jumped up to close to 400K new unemployment claims is because the 4th of July was a federal holiday.

Of course the Obama-friendly mainstream media won't offer that explanation....they'll ignore that fact that one day's worth of new claims equals 20% of that week's total number.

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Originally posted by David9176
The only way to stop this is more tax cuts for the rich!!!

Hell, not that's probably not enough, we should PAY THEM!!!

We are dependent on jobs, therefore we aer dependent on the job creators.

yet people wonder why we fought as a country for the 40 hour work week, OT, vacation, safety laws, ETC

edit on 20-7-2012 by David9176 because: (no reason given)

All we have to do is extend the Bush Tax Cuts so we don't slip back into a recession.

An Ernst & Young analysis spelled out clearly that if we follow Obamas tax the rich

class warfare plan that we will lose 700,000 jobs!

Wow! Isn't that just wonderful ! Obama is a genius! Lets lose more jobs!

Obama belongs back in the teachers lounge with Elisabeth Warren.

They are 2 peas in a pod.

Originally posted by Doom and Gloom
I said nothing about removing or infringing upon the First Amendment.

You did so by saying removing lobbyist. Now if you mean find a way to reform the money pit and cesspool of lobbyist, that is a different story all together. But simply calling for their removal or ban would be a direct call to remove or infringe on First Amendment rights.

Where I do have a problem with the lobbyists is the ability to pay large amounts of money to sway a decision or law in their favor.

Agreed but we have "Men(and Women)" who obviously have no character or principles and take the money without even a second thought. It says just as much about the politician who takes the money. If people of character were in office, companies and lobbyist would stop dumping cash into it when it gets them no results. Congress has enabled the cash influx from K Street by allowing themselves to be bought and swayed. We in turn have allowed it to happen by not holding our own representatives accountable and voting them in time after time (see nearly all incumbents and their reelection rates....of course, it isn't my representative that is bad!)

The Government is there to serve the people of this country, NOT THE HIGHEST BIDDER.

The People have not paid attention since the Great Depression. It is the People who continually abdicate their inherent political power to Congress and the Federal Government. It is the People who continually seek expedience instead of prudence.

Corporations are just as complicit in the problems of this country. If corporate interests were removed from Washington, perhaps they could do some good.

I ask you what is the actual benefit to the People of the United States allowing the Government to be bought by Corporations?

I never said they weren't an issue or a problem. They are, but again -- we all allow incorporation laws to exist at the State level and I see no large calls to have them revoked or their charters dismantled.

Originally posted by Doom and Gloom
While we can sit here and blame Obama for all of this, Congress is just as responsible. Especially with the Republicans filibustering the 'Bring Jobs Back to America' bill. Everyone on of them is responsible for the state of this country.

Remove all lobbyists from Washington, apply tariffs to all goods imported to the US, fine every single company that has outsourced their jobs over seas annually.

That's not going to work. You would drive the price of goods through the roof by doing that. How coud we afford to live since we're all out of jobs?

A better idea would be to slash regulations on small business's. Cut taxes, and of course drasticly cut government spending.

You're right about the government though. They're all responsible for this. No one is ever held accountable.

Originally posted by mrnotobc

Originally posted by Doom and Gloom
While we can sit here and blame Obama for all of this, Congress is just as responsible. Especially with the Republicans filibustering the 'Bring Jobs Back to America' bill. Everyone on of them is responsible for the state of this country.

Remove all lobbyists from Washington, apply tariffs to all goods imported to the US, fine every single company that has outsourced their jobs over seas annually.

That's not going to work. You would drive the price of goods through the roof by doing that. How coud we afford to live since we're all out of jobs?

A better idea would be to slash regulations on small business's. Cut taxes, and of course drasticly cut government spending.

You're right about the government though. They're all responsible for this. No one is ever held accountable.

Slash regulations on small businesses? Why did Obama write the unending regulations

in the first place???

Cut spending where?

Address the big 3 ? MediCare / MediCaid / Social Security ?

Originally posted by Doom and Gloom
DO NOT mistake me as a supporter of Obama. While I understand that the Republicans filibustering is not the the sole reason, my point is that the government as a whole is non-functional. Instead of playing the role of leaders they are acting as if they are adolescent children while this country wastes away. People are loosing jobs and homes at an alarming rate yet they can only bicker like children. President, Congress, and Senate. All of them need to be removed, yet the same career politicians that haven't done a damn thing will be put back into office to continue the complacency. My point is that government has become ineffective in all branches.

I apologize for the delay in response. I wasn't trying to peg you as any type of supporter. I understand that there are large amounts of people struggling, but their solution thus far has been to look to government to fix it. That was the main point of my argument. People have the power to change this, but it is far easier to demand Washington bail them out and give them a safety net.

The only thing they actually can agree on is sending our young off to fight in countries that we should not be involved with.

Agreed. Both sides pander and say they don't want to but they do it without nary a debate.

I said nothing about removing or infringing upon the First Amendment.

This is why I asked for your clarification. By simply saying that lobbyist need to be removed from Washington, it is exactly what you are saying. "Lobbyist" is a term meaning nothing but we, as free citizens have the power to "lobby" our government for change and new direction. Banning them would be a direct violation of the First Amendment.

Where I do have a problem with the lobbyists is the ability to pay large amounts of money to sway a decision or law in their favor. The Government is there to serve the people of this country, NOT THE HIGHEST BIDDER. Corporations are just as complicit in the problems of this country. If corporate interests were removed from Washington, perhaps they could do some good.

All agreed to. Just remember that corporations are not a Federal entity and are chartered by the States. Hammer the states that give them their power; and notably, the people who empower the States to even delegate such power.

I ask you what is the actual benefit to the People of the United States allowing the Government to be bought by Corporations?

You are begging a question that isn't even mine to even answer. I never stated that there was a benefit to such.