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Originally posted by JackJack
reply to post by Akragon
Dear Akragon,
Touche, you are a good researcher. You have read all there is to read and made an informed decision. That is all one can do. It is not like the old days when the mystery of Christ was not known to everyone. Now, it is all available via the Google. All one has to do is study, as you have, and decide. Now... we wait....
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by EvanB
I like your style no semantics.
Really doesn't matter AK you believe your own interpretation of Gods word I guess and I really don't.edit on 19-7-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
There is an excluded middle here that needs to be stated. As we consider the way or ways, does it really matter in light of John 2?
23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. 25 He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.
Our testimony is not needed by Jesus. Why? The answer follows in verse 25. When Jesus says he's the only way, we should take heed. Our reasoning of Jesus and His way matters little as he calls us, we do not call Him. We either know his voice or we do not. The call to us is up to him, not us.
Why do we need to confess Christ to men? As we have free will, we can choose to more our heart in position to receive the call. This is the point of faith instead of God revealing himself as fact. Faith avoids duplicity. If we seek, Jesus calls back. If we knock, Jesus is faithful to open the door.
It's now what we do, but what has been done for us. This does not mean we cannot seek and knock on our own. Jesus answers either way. In the end, He calls us all eventually. We still need to answer.
Originally posted by Jakewirick
reply to post by jhill76
lol to be honest I have no clue, there could be a god for all i know. I'm just really bored and trying to piss people off but I don't think its working, If believing in a god makes you a better person go for it
If you want truly to be sure your saved just call on his name and he will know what's in your heart.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Murgatroid
You've got some SERIOUS issues to deal with if you actually believe that the blood of Jesus is "extra stuff". The BLOOD of Jesus is the ONLY way you will ever make to Heaven.
Do not take my questions/comments as my stance on a subject. My intent is not because I do not know, but to gauge others responses.
Originally posted by Murgatroid
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Murgatroid
You've got some SERIOUS issues to deal with if you actually believe that the blood of Jesus is "extra stuff". The BLOOD of Jesus is the ONLY way you will ever make to Heaven.
Do not take my questions/comments as my stance on a subject. My intent is not because I do not know, but to gauge others responses.
Like I said, you've got some SERIOUS issues to deal with...
Originally posted by randyvs
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by EvanB
I like your style no semantics.
Really doesn't matter AK you believe your own interpretation of Gods word I guess and I really don't.edit on 19-7-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
There is an excluded middle here that needs to be stated. As we consider the way or ways, does it really matter in light of John 2?
23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. 25 He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.
Our testimony is not needed by Jesus. Why? The answer follows in verse 25. When Jesus says he's the only way, we should take heed. Our reasoning of Jesus and His way matters little as he calls us, we do not call Him. We either know his voice or we do not. The call to us is up to him, not us.
Why do we need to confess Christ to men? As we have free will, we can choose to more our heart in position to receive the call. This is the point of faith instead of God revealing himself as fact. Faith avoids duplicity. If we seek, Jesus calls back. If we knock, Jesus is faithful to open the door.
It's now what we do, but what has been done for us. This does not mean we cannot seek and knock on our own. Jesus answers either way. In the end, He calls us all eventually. We still need to answer.
I like the benevolent message you point too. I just don't think I would offer it as advice. If you want truly to be sure you're saved just call on his name and he will know what's in your heart. I believe this.edit on 19-7-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by JackJack
ugh..
He did not claim to be God... :bnghd:
Originally posted by MamaJ
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by jhill76
The only way to have a relationship with God is through his son Jesus Christ. Not by imitating how he lived, but rather by having a change of mind about who he is and believing he rose from the dead. Once you have accepted him into your heart God will send the Holy Spirit to reside in you. Only once you have become born again can you have a relationship with God.
I respect you and your beliefs.... But im sorry to say and hopefully you will not get offended, but Jesus is more light and love than you give him credit for.
You may think you are going to heaven and im going to hell.... Thats fine. Just remember the heart does not lie in the face of God. Your hearts intent either resounds in love or it doesnt. Love does not keep record nor does it judge. Jesus said, " God is love". In order to know either Jesus or God, you first have to learn, understand, and give ( and receive) LOVE.
LOVE does not burn souls for eternity. This lie... Is from the opposite of love and its meant to not only deceive but to divide. Look at the world today. Its proof.
Basically I am saying how can you use the bible to believe in Christ yet you dont believe the other things in the bible that were written about Christ?
Oh and also to the OP I am not judging you only speaking from my own experience but the fact that you apparently believe in Christ yet question his message and intent are a sign of weak faith.
Another thought touching on my last point though a bit off topic but I have considered the idea that we were created so that God could experience himself through us.
May I ask what you are getting out of attempting to confuse people with statements that you yourself do not believe?
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NihilistSanta
This deserved a separate reply.
Another thought touching on my last point though a bit off topic but I have considered the idea that we were created so that God could experience himself through us.
Father has stated, he created another like himself, different from the angels to be like him, without the God aspect though. As the angels do not think on their own and are creative, unlike man is. Angels only do what they are told.
Man is only here on Earth to learn. Man has to become perfect, by learning to be perfect, not be created perfectly or told how to be perfect.
It is my understanding that were created perfect only we were willing participants in deception which defied Gods will thus the result being that we have to run through the obstacle course of life to regain our perfect status?
I dont think we were put here merely to learn why we are here but this is just my opinion on the matter.
I feel the intent is because God loves. That to me is why we are here.