Is Jesus the only way to God?

I'm wondering, "Where did jhill go?"

HellOOooo? Are you still paying attention? Care to summarize your notes for us?

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just a guess, but i think jhill did not intend for people to argue over this...and did not want to be in the middle of it...

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i think the chimera deities were a commemoration/ symbolism for the genetic tampering that occurred...of course like everything the true meaning was lost somewhere in the doctrines of the prevailing religion of the time...and we have yet to decipher what the true meaning was exactly...

but we have enough pieces to the puzzle to come to a reasonable conclusion about what happened and why...

much of it is a misunderstanding of the context the original eye witnesses attempted to convey in their writings or their descriptions...when it relates to things they themselves did not understand or had nothing to compare to, they found it very hard to describe what they saw...

today we have the benefit of knowing there are greater possibilities due to the technologies we are exposed to, but if you plunked a 3rd century CE prophet in the middle of our society, they would have a hard time describing exactly what they witnessed, and the interpretation of it woud most likely be comical to us...not to mention if our civilization were wiped out suddenly and others came behind us and found these writings, would they understand them exactly as they were witnessed? probably not...no doubt some of our technology would be branded as witch-craft by those that did not understand, and even more true is the fact that if you take one from a more "primitive" (by our standards) culture and place them within our society, they too would label our technology as witch-craft or evil magic...

such fears are the result of the unknown and not doing the work to try and understand them...but i dare say that they may be somewhat right about the technologies we have...in their own way they can be evils if they are used for that purpose...

Originally posted by MagnumOpus
Hello StudyThem,

I think your title is what everyone needs to be doing to address the issues that we seem to have become dragged into. In terms of human history, it appears many were hunter gathers, as the American Indians. The lived in small communal villages and were self sufficient. Their gods were just the forces of nature.

Way back when the Nephellium became more interested in having larger work forces they became involved in the formulation of river culture cities with canals, irrigation, and towers called Ziggurats. Areas like Eridu and Ur were some of the first river cultures that had perhaps 5-10 thousand people in cities. This grew into other areas, like Babylon, and later Egypt, with towers and pyramid symbols. These days we are all cast into this same mold and most everything that used to be small and self supporting has been turned into corporatism methods being run by the titans of money.

one thing that i think even historians tend to gloss over is that the pyramids are way older than the Egyptians...perhaps to appease them and make them feel special...they were machines that generated electricity...new evidence points to this, since the remnants of copper cables and the corrosion that most associate with batteries have been found...the sheathing stones on the pyramids acted as a natural insulator, and the water table bore the electrons needed to generate the electricity...the apparatus is all gone, and the parts that could be hauled off were looted and repurposed by various civilizations including everyone up to the Muslims...but modern experiments (including those done by Tesla) prove that the pyramid is a viable machine with no moving parts that can generate immense power in the form of electricity...one such experiment was done by an English man who built a wooden pyramid, over a water table, ran a cable from the cap...and one from the ground...they did not reach each other so he decided to try and put them together...when he touched both cables, he was thrown, simply because his body acted as the switch to connect the circuit...

So, all that system of Nephellium technology is the heart of the same system today, and the church still represents this inner core of the Nephelloum methods, but in place of gods and kings the power is the money usually held in corperate shelters and controlled by a few. There is no leadership that speaks for the people, as they seem to get shot as JFK and MLK. Religion disrenfranchises people and the opiate of the masses is religion that doesn't teach that everyone has rights and everyone helps to make the world. The religion types promote wealth inequity, just as happened in the Eridu and Ur with the Fallen Ones. So, a select few control most of the money in the world and religion helps to keep those that might organize and win equality sitting on little church pews wringing their hands.

i agree, the continuity of the same system is evident, but most people ignore it because the labels changed...

In Germany, in the lands of Martin Luther and others that were looking for better solutitions and challenging the churches, they discovered that the Essene and Jesus mother and father lived a communal life that was basically socialism. The set off the Karl Marx socialism themes and outbreaks against European issues like Czars. Soon is turned in the Central European Bankers with Hitler's resistance to the cast leadership of the rich.

everything you mentioned was controlled opposition, because it used what sounded like the right ideas, but twisted them into another form of control...

In England, the Royals were the bloodline from the throne of David, and this leads clear back to the leadership of Ur, where Abraham was born, and Eridu. Jesus had the same linage, and tried to change the system also. The system was so powerful that it even abducted his name and image and rewrote what he stood for.

this is truth, which is why they have been so keen to support their version of Christianity and the false state of Israel...of course the people involved on the low level are not to blame, but those 'in the know' are guilty of evil...

The battle still goes on today with what to do to have wealth equity and get out of the system where wealth elects the politicians, which serves the industry and basically the same type city worker system...

which is where we are today again...but this is why they who control this arrangement are so quick to support the overthrow of the current system in appearance only, while they sit back and watch us destroy all the evidence to link them to the crime, and then step in to take over once we kill each other off enough...that is how they have done it before each and every time, and how they will do it again unless we stop the nonsense...we cannot play their game and win...

here is more evidence that points to the atrocities committed in the name of the church...and how they co-opted the pagan traditions and places of worship, converting them to Christianity as well...by the sword and fire...

you have to scroll down a bit to get to the text...

What they do not want you to know about Christianity

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
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Take a look for your self:

Manuscript evidence

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So, are these Greek Manuscripts written by people who saw and heard what was going on in Ancient Israel, or were they simply copying down stories they heard from others? Did Christ speak the Greek language?

Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
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Take a look for your self:

Manuscript evidence

edit on 27-7-2012 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)

So, are these Greek Manuscripts written by people who saw and heard what was going on in Ancient Israel, or were they simply copying down stories they heard from others? Did Christ speak the Greek language?

exactly...i think they waited for the original witnesses to die off so they could alter the truth any way they saw fit...thus the poor explanation that the original text were lost and the reason these texts do not match the overall true theme of Christ or his teachings...

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You can also pray to Dear Horus for it is the same Entitie.

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Did Christ speak the Greek language?

There is a growing number of biblical scholars who think exactly that.

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Most likely yes he did.

there are instances where Jesus would have more likely spoken Greek, as in his encounter with the centurion who asked him to heal his son, or when he went before Pilate...but that is a poor argument to claim that the New Testament's original language was Greek...there are obvious transliterations from Aramaic to Greek, which means there was another text from which the Greek texts used as a source document...most likely in the Aramaic...any plays on words in the Greek were probably additions to the text by the respective authors...or represent the instances when Jesus did use Greek...but it is still a poor argument to justify the absence of the original Aramaic texts that were the source document(s) for the gospels...which begs the question...if these source documents were so sacred, then why were they destroyed? if they were so important, then why do we not have any of them?

due to the overwhelming evidence that the supporting documents for Christianity were rigged by those who used the name of Jesus to bully the rest of the roman empire, it is more likely that the original source document(s) in Aramaic were destroyed because they did not quite convey the politically correct message that the editors of Christianity wanted the faithful to learn of...there is so much evidence of censorship and brutality by the early christian hierarchy, including jealousy, murder and destruction, that it would not surprise me if they did destroy the original Aramaic to conceal the truth...

Originally posted by forddavidjunior
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You can also pray to Dear Horus for it is the same Entitie.

Actually Horus is a fairytale based on Nimrod. Jesus however, actually walked this earth. Several tombs of his his Apostles who walked with him before he was crucified and after, have been found.

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Everyone still seems to forget the "original sin" of pride. Adam and Eve gave up "the way" of His Divine Will and was cast out of Paradise and now labeled as "free agents" or Gen'tiles or Gens who have not the law. They have become gods themselves under their own free-will giving up the Divine Law by not abiding by them. Do you see what happened?...the evil serpent coerced them into giving up their faith in His laws and the only way to get them applicable for human control is to get them as free-agents and after their transgression now as individuals went to find their "own way[law]" divided from the Father. This sin made them eligable to contract again as free-agents". Once the wicked man (serpent) finally got them out of the contract with the Eternal Father's Divine Laws he jumped right in trying to get Adam to contract with him into submission. In Roman times that contract was that of the plebeians subjected to a tyrannical government by the power of the vote at the polls. You are vowing to worship another individuals free-will or an elected sovereign under ethical morals.

In our time our pride or "original sin" was declaring independence from all Kings putting us back in as "free agents" but back in the original status of a Gen'tile nation . This lawful document made us have free-will again under the word "freedom" and "independence" we were labeled as sovereigns[princes or gods]. We were free-agents once again bound by no contract. But the serpents [wicked men] of our time politicized the sovereign people under a contract that we call Political Right or aka The Social Contract. This contract (aka state and federal constitutions) subjected you under another tyrannical government of greed and power under roman civil law as "We the 'People'". . So you are just another modern day plebeian that has no faith in the Divine Will, even though it is written in your hearts. Only way back to the jurisdiction of the Garden of Eden and safe from the evil serpent with the power of his own free-will is conforming to Divine Morality and The Father's Will, but one cannot declare it unless as free-agent! Are you as free-agent? One day you all will realize the contracts you are subject to as individuals (divided from The Father in Heaven on earth).
Once again history just repeating itself.
You can fit the reason how Isrealites were foreign to the Gen'tiles and that they had immunity from their lawlessness and as plebeians (We the People) under roman civil law. Aren't you labelled[marked] as a civil'lian or citizen?

Beginning of knowledge is the fear of The Father

Beg for forgiveness and let go of your pride!

Hmmm?.... Gen'esis: the story of the birth of the Gens [Gen'tiles]

Feel Humiliated yet?

Originally posted by MAllen7424
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Everyone still seems to forget the "original sin" of pride. Adam and Eve gave up "the way" of His Divine Will and was cast out of Paradise and now labeled as "free agents" or Gen'tiles or Gens who have not the law. They have become gods themselves under their own free-will giving up the Divine Law by not abiding by them. Do you see what happened?...the evil serpent coerced them into giving up their faith in His laws and the only way to get them applicable for human control is to get them as free-agents and after their transgression now as individuals went to find their "own way[law]" divided from the Father. This sin made them eligable to contract again as free-agents". Once the wicked man (serpent) finally got them out of the contract with the Eternal Father's Divine Laws he jumped right in trying to get Adam to contract with him into submission. In Roman times that contract was that of the plebeians subjected to a tyrannical government by the power of the vote at the polls. You are vowing to worship another individuals free-will or an elected sovereign under ethical morals.

actually, the original story was twisted by the god imposters to make us feel guilty and control us...but the original sin was of the fallen ones, who altered our DNA, and interfered with the natural law set in motion by the creator...they just thought it was clever to transfer their sin to us by way of trickery and manipulation...making us imperfect and then blaming us for it...certainly we make mistakes, but we are not born in sin, we were created flawed on purpose to re-enforce the lie that we are in sin...that lie is a fallacy that the god imposters used to make their subjects feel bad, so they exercised power over them...its a mind trick...much the same as a slave owner telling their black slaves they are bad for having dark skin...its the same idea...and this vehicle was used by religions to further put the guilt trip on people as a means of control, and is also used by the elite as well these days in the form of excessive laws, a police state constantly in threat of whacking us on the head if we step out of line, the fact they want to control us all and want to nanny us all the time, and watch everything we do, not allowing us to make decisions for ourselves...its the same evil...all a lie to prey on the mind

In our time our pride or "original sin" was declaring independence from all Kings putting us back in as "free agents" but back in the original status of a Gen'tile nation . This lawful document made us have free-will again under the word "freedom" and "independence" we were labeled as sovereigns[princes or gods]. We were free-agents once again bound by no contract. But the serpents [wicked men] of our time politicized the sovereign people under a contract that we call Political Right or aka The Social Contract. This contract (aka state and federal constitutions) subjected you under another tyrannical government of greed and power under roman civil law as "We the 'People'"........You can fit the reason how Isrealites were foreign to the Gen'tiles and that they had immunity from their lawlessness and as plebeians (We the People) under roman civil law. Aren't you labelled[marked] as a civil'lian or citizen?

i agree the ideas of the natural law were hijacked by the elite and eventually harnessed for evil, but this does not negate the truth of the natural law...

Beginning of knowledge is the fear of The Father

Beg for forgiveness and let go of your pride!

Hmmm?.... Gen'esis: the story of the birth of the Gens [Gen'tiles]

Feel Humiliated yet?

no i dont feel humiliated yet, i have been humbled before, but your attempt was poor at best...genesis linked to the gentiles, is a wild leap...not connected, just playing with words...

the creator does not use fear, that is a tool of evil...guilt fear and hatred are all psychological tools used by the enemy to control people who do not understand the love of the creator...if fear is necessary to be saved, then it is not the creator who it came from, but some place much darker...

begging for forgiveness is strongly linked to the bondage and blood sacrifices, along with death that is celebrated in the occult...it is evil...asking forgiveness of our fellow man, is more appropriate if we have wronged them...the creator has already forgiven...

the word prayer originated from the Latin "precari" where we get our word precarious from...if one is in a precarious situation, they are in danger...very likely in danger of death...the picture conveyed is a slave begging for their life and at the whim of the master can be pardoned or killed...this idea of talking to the creator this way is evil, because the creator does not act as a murderous slave master...

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by forddavidjunior
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You can also pray to Dear Horus for it is the same Entitie.

Actually Horus is a fairytale based on Nimrod. Jesus however, actually walked this earth. Several tombs of his his Apostles who walked with him before he was crucified and after, have been found.

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the real Jesus was not the same as Horus or Osiris or any god...but the fabricated Jesus incorporate elements from the former deities to more easily graft the competing religions into the Christianity of Constantine...this cannot be ignored...historicity does not validate the content of the whole of the gospel texts or any of the rest of the new testament...some of it is true but some of it is fabricated...the best lies are always mixed with a measure of truth to make them easier to swallow...sure Jesus was alive in those days and there is evidence of those he walked with, but his words and their words have been altered to control people...it is no mistake that they chose to start this alteration in 61 ACE, after the parties in question were already gone and could not contest the misuse of their words...

parallels can be drawn in the Muslim traditions as well...Muhammad warned those he lived with who followed him that hadith was a bad idea, because they could get out of hand and taint the truth...he even was quoted as saying "the greatest story is the story of god" in other words what else does one need? however they waited til he was long dead to start publishing the hadith (stories, or closer translated as fairy tales) in order to alter the religion into a tool of control...and much the same way that Constantine used Jesus to bludgeon the masses into submission, they took license with the hadith interpretation of the Qur'an to bludgeon their subjects into submission....it was the same evil method...convert or die...before this, if you take the whole of the Qur'an as it is, it is surprisingly civilized, and does not condone unwarranted killing, but rather gives guidelines that expressly admonish people to acts of compassion, even taking care of enemies and allowing them to leave if they want to...it tells Muslims to live in peace with the "people of the book", who were and still are known as Jews and Christians...the Muslims then recognized both faiths as brethren, and some still do...the Quran only makes mention of infidels as idolaters, those who worship false idols...or clay and stone deities that were other than the creator...and even then license was not given to kill any of them unless they struck first...it was a strict rule to only kill in defense, not in offense...and the only time they drove the idolaters out of their homes was to reclaim the homes they had been driven from...but they stopped short of hunting them all down and killing them all, they only wanted their homes back, once the enemies fled, the did not pursue, but stopped...hardly the same Islam as was practiced by the Ottoman Turks who based their vile actions off of the hadith, and what is still used today as the excuse of extremists to murder people wantonly...the Qur'an is mild compared to the additions of the hadith, which range from brutal, to the equivalent of childishly silly and vulgar...none of which was in the Qur'an...but they waited til Muhammad was dead to pull these shenanigans...publish the hadith, and then claim they were the sayings of Muhammad, when he had already invalidated them beforehand...and it has put the world in great turmoil because of it, causing wars even among those who claim to be Muslim, between differing sects...most notable between the Sunni and Shi'ite...which is essentially a class differentiation based on whether or not one group was rightful heir to Muhammad...

so there is much evidence in both religions of tampering and misrepresentation in the name of control...

Originally posted by studythem1
...but the fabricated Jesus incorporate elements from the former deities to more easily graft the competing religions into the Christianity of Constantine...

The Holy Roman Empire [state], I believe misinterpreted or even maybe manifested the diety of Jesus and his knowledge of truth of the escape from the jurisdiction of the tyrannical elected governments by making Jesus a bridge(mediator) to Salvation by creating an ecclesiastical government of priests . But they had to do exactly what you said, "to graft the competing religions" into a religion created by the empire state to convince the israelites, plebeians, and the gentiles to conform to a universal religion where it sounds rational to them all and plausible and they called it "natural law" also known as the "law of war". The Holy Roman Empire [state] was desperate to get everyone to convert to their state religion of christianity because the Jews (not the Christian Jews) were following a diety that lawfully had higher authority than the empire. For the fear of losing control Jesus was put in place or misinterpreted for the needed bridge that left the Holy Roman Empire in full control till this day. Do you understand why you live under roman civil law. You are still under the control of the roman state living in a "state of nature" that bridge leaves you under a universal religion that everyone can zealously believe in. This convertion into christianity put all Jews(Children of the manifested God in the Bible), plebeians (contracted socialized state citizens) and gentiles (who aren't under any laws) under the laws of the "state of nature" abiding by the rules of war leaving all humanity as "free-agents" So the serpent (man-made state) can put humanity into sufferage so you can beg for help by the empire state, but as free-agent you zealously vote and accept the social state's security force (Home land Security), benefits (Social Security Insurance), and all the services (9-1-1 services) they force you to have like Obamacare. So when the Great Awakening happens again when all the people of "the state" wake up to the "ch-aracteristics of their status (state)", they will find themselves wandering in the desert (state of confusion) just like they were coming out of the enslavemnt of egypt (the man-made state) questioning the powers and gods and why they cant pay their mortgage or feed themselves and all the plagues and diseases that the state forces on us through their greedy power and corruption of their vices of free-will.

Originally posted by MAllen7424

Originally posted by studythem1
...but the fabricated Jesus incorporate elements from the former deities to more easily graft the competing religions into the Christianity of Constantine...

The Holy Roman Empire [state], I believe misinterpreted or even maybe manifested the diety of Jesus and his knowledge of truth of the escape from the jurisdiction of the tyrannical elected governments by making Jesus a bridge(mediator) to Salvation by creating an ecclesiastical government of priests . But they had to do exactly what you said, "to graft the competing religions" into a religion created by the empire state to convince the israelites, plebeians, and the gentiles to conform to a universal religion where it sounds rational to them all and plausible and they called it "natural law" also known as the "law of war". The Holy Roman Empire [state] was desperate to get everyone to convert to their state religion of christianity because the Jews (not the Christian Jews) were following a diety that lawfully had higher authority than the empire. For the fear of losing control Jesus was put in place or misinterpreted for the needed bridge that left the Holy Roman Empire in full control till this day. Do you understand why you live under roman civil law. You are still under the control of the roman state living in a "state of nature" that bridge leaves you under a universal religion that everyone can zealously believe in. This convertion into christianity put all Jews(Children of the manifested God in the Bible), plebeians (contracted socialized state citizens) and gentiles (who aren't under any laws) under the laws of the "state of nature" abiding by the rules of war leaving all humanity as "free-agents" So the serpent (man-made state) can put humanity into sufferage so you can beg for help by the empire state, but as free-agent you zealously vote and accept the social state's security force (Home land Security), benefits (Social Security Insurance), and all the services (9-1-1 services) they force you to have like Obamacare. So when the Great Awakening happens again when all the people of "the state" wake up to the "ch-aracteristics of their status (state)", they will find themselves wandering in the desert (state of confusion) just like they were coming out of the enslavemnt of egypt (the man-made state) questioning the powers and gods and why they cant pay their mortgage or feed themselves and all the plagues and diseases that the state forces on us through their greedy power and corruption of their vices of free-will.

ok you clarified your point well enough i can make sense of it now...i would agree, the only thing i would point out is that the natural law of the Romans is not the same as the natural law of the creator...

the natural law of the creator simply honors free will...we manifest that by honoring free will here...the only time we are allowed to interfere with free will is if the person in question is violating our free will or putting us in bodily harm...it is in defense not offense...the angels follow the same rule, and so do any of the other beings in the universe that honor the creator in spirit and truth...

all those that oppose the creator think it is their duty to interfere and force their technology and civilization on others...or to meddle in others affairs to the point they have violated free will...and the Romans and every other empire in the world were of the same philosophy...even the world order of today is the same philosophy...

the roman empire believed that in order to promote peace, they had to crush everyone in their path and civilize them...that is the natural law they referred to...which is entirely different...that is in violation of the natural law of the creator, the law of free will...

The "church & state" has made the subject so complicated and almost impossible to decipher. But when it comes down to it, it again is just contract law with the conflict between the Divine Will and free-will and the sins that manifest from free-will. We are all One with the Divine Essence in our hearts, but the serpents (state) made us into individual essences that lead us deeper into sin so they can control us via contract as free-agents or seperated from the Divine Will and put us into a debt slavery situation so there is no escape from their tentacles never to find the Divine Will again because we cant under contract get back as “free-agents” and declare Divine Morailty.

Then there s the subject of "sacrafice" what does it mean? Well to declare the conduct of Divine Morality as "free-agent" while under a contract with the serpent there must be a sacrafice. I don't mean to behead your children for a blood sacrafice. You need to sacrafice your possesions of the state. Sacrafice your social security insurance and the hard labor you invested in it, you need to sacrafice their secuirty services (homeland security) etc. Sacrafice your deeded land and devote it back to the Creator because it is not your land, it's not the states land where they claim under "fee-simple". The land is Holy and the serpents know this, but under the social contract you are part of their monetary paper realm subjected by their laws that they claim to mediate mankinds gift that the creator gave to us. You are just a renter in their realm. You own absolutely nothing in their realm. Every paper you have, every letter you get with your situs address on it belongs to the state (serpents) Your birth certificate (state seal), social security number (federal enclave of jurisdiction) and also 9-1-1 service, And now according to the "Laws of Nations and as our constituted government is now a member of, there is a new sovereign in town. We call that sovereign the United Nations. The consolidated gentile nations who live in the "state of war" or in the "state of nature". There is much profit to be made in the state of war. If they really wanted the free-will to have peace on earth all they have to do is declare it, why wont they? whats in it for them? The loss of power would be their fate in he end because peace, love and charity would manifest in the minds of the next generations and war and the need to govern would be in the past and we all would be One again with the Essence of the Divine Will in our hearts.

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There is much profit to be made in the state of war. If they really wanted the free-will to have peace on earth all they have to do is declare it, why wont they? whats in it for them? The loss of power would be their fate in he end because peace, love and charity would manifest in the minds of the next generations and war and the need to govern would be in the past and we all would be One again with the Essence of the Divine Will in our hearts.

True that. ^^^
Bravo! Star! (= applause from a lowly member )

May I suggest you break up your thoughts into paragraphs? It's hard to read a block of text like that. I nearly skipped it, but I'm glad I didn't. I want your message to be heard loudly, clearly, and given the attention it deserves.