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Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by stupid girl
That account alone, is the biggest one used besides the story of Christ.
Meaning, in peoples daily lives, they equate themselves to Job when something goes wrong. They don't blame it on the devil, they think that God is showing them or teaching them something in their trials. This is a collective of all.
I am either to assume that you consider them both stories used to teach mankind a lesson, or one is a story and the other actually happened and you are simply referring to it as a story.
You pat yourself on the back because you feel like you need to be "vague" with your words, yet you are only shooting yourself in the foot and blaming everyone else for pulling the trigger.
Originally posted by Elsha
reply to post by NihilistSanta
Fact is your post is correct. Not only do we have excellent historical backing to and for the New Testament, but Christianity has the very best historical evidence which is a little known secret. How acient writings can be considered trustworthy is a very complicated subject but to make a long subject short: The New Testament is the best. As if thats not enough, the Dead Sea Scrolls further revealed that today's Old Testament has been amazingly preserved. Those are the HISTORICAL FACTS to this case.
The Muslim teaching that the bible has become corrupted is simply not historical the case, just as teaching that Islam is a peaceful religion is also not historically true as the Koran (and history) teach
Originally posted by studythem1
Originally posted by Elsha
reply to post by NihilistSanta
Fact is your post is correct. Not only do we have excellent historical backing to and for the New Testament, but Christianity has the very best historical evidence which is a little known secret. How acient writings can be considered trustworthy is a very complicated subject but to make a long subject short: The New Testament is the best. As if thats not enough, the Dead Sea Scrolls further revealed that today's Old Testament has been amazingly preserved. Those are the HISTORICAL FACTS to this case.
The Muslim teaching that the bible has become corrupted is simply not historical the case, just as teaching that Islam is a peaceful religion is also not historically true as the Koran (and history) teach
wrong, the Jewish Pentateuch is the most sloppy of all versions of it...the Samaritan Pentateuch is not only better grammar, but more precise and accurate...it was preserved intact from the earliest times, but the Jewish version was written from recitations of old men returning from the exile in Babylon...
there are places in every one of the books of the bible that have errors, and not just lies, but grammatical errors, there are passages added to the end of some books...dishonest scholars had their hands all over the books of the bible...even more recently some translations mislead people by changing words to "simplify things"...the bible is a hot steaming pile of mess...
and thats not all the council of Nicaea was formed to edit the bible the way those corrupt church officials thought would gain them more power under the rule of Constantine...they knew what they were getting into when they began to change Christianity into a religion...it was about power, never about being holy...the same way the counselors of the British kings and queens manipulated the royalty, or the church manipulated the governments of Europe during the dark ages...
seems like there are a few here who like to call the kettle black...and forget that the ancient world was not some golden age, but just as messed up and corrupt as it is today...
but still lets ignore the fact that so much injustice has been done to people, souls, and assume that somehow the creator would hand carry a document written by man and make sure it remains the same as the day it is born?!?!?!
the creator cares not about books...the creators concern is creation
Originally posted by jhill76
Job is lesson.
Christ's account is true and accurate, less the details. Like him being in the wilderness 40 days, it was actually longer than that.
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by jhill76
Job is lesson.
Christ's account is true and accurate, less the details. Like him being in the wilderness 40 days, it was actually longer than that.
So, what aspects of the lesson of Job are accurate?
Originally posted by Elsha
reply to post by studythem1
Oh and by the way...when Jesus appears before the religious leaders the night before the cross, the High Priest says are "you the Christ, the Son of God ( or God the Son in Greek)?"
Jesus said: " I am"
The High Priest tore his robe and reminded Israel that the Lord is One. The shema. This was because Jesus claimed Deity again which to the Jews was pagan
Originally posted by NihilistSanta
Originally posted by studythem1
Originally posted by Elsha
reply to post by NihilistSanta
Fact is your post is correct. Not only do we have excellent historical backing to and for the New Testament, but Christianity has the very best historical evidence which is a little known secret. How acient writings can be considered trustworthy is a very complicated subject but to make a long subject short: The New Testament is the best. As if thats not enough, the Dead Sea Scrolls further revealed that today's Old Testament has been amazingly preserved. Those are the HISTORICAL FACTS to this case.
The Muslim teaching that the bible has become corrupted is simply not historical the case, just as teaching that Islam is a peaceful religion is also not historically true as the Koran (and history) teach
wrong, the Jewish Pentateuch is the most sloppy of all versions of it...the Samaritan Pentateuch is not only better grammar, but more precise and accurate...it was preserved intact from the earliest times, but the Jewish version was written from recitations of old men returning from the exile in Babylon...
there are places in every one of the books of the bible that have errors, and not just lies, but grammatical errors, there are passages added to the end of some books...dishonest scholars had their hands all over the books of the bible...even more recently some translations mislead people by changing words to "simplify things"...the bible is a hot steaming pile of mess...
and thats not all the council of Nicaea was formed to edit the bible the way those corrupt church officials thought would gain them more power under the rule of Constantine...they knew what they were getting into when they began to change Christianity into a religion...it was about power, never about being holy...the same way the counselors of the British kings and queens manipulated the royalty, or the church manipulated the governments of Europe during the dark ages...
seems like there are a few here who like to call the kettle black...and forget that the ancient world was not some golden age, but just as messed up and corrupt as it is today...
but still lets ignore the fact that so much injustice has been done to people, souls, and assume that somehow the creator would hand carry a document written by man and make sure it remains the same as the day it is born?!?!?!
the creator cares not about books...the creators concern is creation
You should go back some pages to the 2 videos I posted. You are making claims about the bible that you can not back up. Just more conjecture.
Originally posted by studythem1
Originally posted by NihilistSanta
Originally posted by studythem1
Originally posted by Elsha
reply to post by NihilistSanta
Fact is your post is correct. Not only do we have excellent historical backing to and for the New Testament, but Christianity has the very best historical evidence which is a little known secret. How acient writings can be considered trustworthy is a very complicated subject but to make a long subject short: The New Testament is the best. As if thats not enough, the Dead Sea Scrolls further revealed that today's Old Testament has been amazingly preserved. Those are the HISTORICAL FACTS to this case.
The Muslim teaching that the bible has become corrupted is simply not historical the case, just as teaching that Islam is a peaceful religion is also not historically true as the Koran (and history) teach
wrong, the Jewish Pentateuch is the most sloppy of all versions of it...the Samaritan Pentateuch is not only better grammar, but more precise and accurate...it was preserved intact from the earliest times, but the Jewish version was written from recitations of old men returning from the exile in Babylon...
there are places in every one of the books of the bible that have errors, and not just lies, but grammatical errors, there are passages added to the end of some books...dishonest scholars had their hands all over the books of the bible...even more recently some translations mislead people by changing words to "simplify things"...the bible is a hot steaming pile of mess...
and thats not all the council of Nicaea was formed to edit the bible the way those corrupt church officials thought would gain them more power under the rule of Constantine...they knew what they were getting into when they began to change Christianity into a religion...it was about power, never about being holy...the same way the counselors of the British kings and queens manipulated the royalty, or the church manipulated the governments of Europe during the dark ages...
seems like there are a few here who like to call the kettle black...and forget that the ancient world was not some golden age, but just as messed up and corrupt as it is today...
but still lets ignore the fact that so much injustice has been done to people, souls, and assume that somehow the creator would hand carry a document written by man and make sure it remains the same as the day it is born?!?!?!
the creator cares not about books...the creators concern is creation
You should go back some pages to the 2 videos I posted. You are making claims about the bible that you can not back up. Just more conjecture.
conjecture? how about you read the Sumerian tablets or even the translations of them and get back to me? how about read the Jewish and Samaritan comparative torah (both versions of the Pentateuch side by side) and get back to me? how about read some of the books that survived the purge after the Nicaean creed? How about see the oldest copies of the gospels, and actually see the add ins and editing im talking about? how about read some history or see some of the things people left behind in the old world? ever been out of the US? i could prove all day to you, post links, etc, but you would still say it is conjecture...i however, have done these things and can prove it...im not just talking out of my hat...
but if you want to disprove it...then use Google to find even a couple of things i just mentioned, instead of just cutting and pasting scripture to back your weak arguments...
Originally posted by Elsha
reply to post by studythem1
your embarrassing yourself here. I have studied all this through a system of study called apologetics and no it does not mean to apologize.
Your wasting your time with me. I know for a FACT you do not know what you are talking about. I'm sorry but it's not a simple topic so....no offense.
Mark is the shortest of the canonical gospels. Manuscripts, both scrolls and codices, tend to lose text at the beginning and the end, not unlike a coverless paperback in a backpack.[26] These losses are characteristically unconnected with excisions. For instance, Mark 1:1 has been found in two different forms. Most manuscripts of Mark, including the 4th-century Codex Vaticanus, have the text "son of God",[27] but three important manuscripts do not. Those three are: Codex Sinaiticus (01, א; dated 4th century), Codex Koridethi (038, Θ; 9th century), and the text called Minuscule 28 (11th century).[28] Textual support for the term "Son of God" is strong, but the phrase may not have been original.[29] Interpolations may not be editorial, either. It is a common experience that glosses written in the margins of manuscripts get incorporated into the text as copies are made. Any particular example is open to dispute, of course, but one may take note of Mark 7:16, "Let anyone with ears to hear, listen," which is not found in early manuscripts. Revision and editorial error may also contribute. Most differences are trivial but Mark 1:41, where the leper approached Jesus begging to be healed, is significant. Early (Western) manuscripts say that Jesus became angry with the leper while later (Byzantine) versions indicate that Jesus showed compassion. This is possibly a confusion between the Aramaic words ethraham (he had pity) and ethra'em (he was enraged).[30] Since it is easier to understand why a scribe would change "rage" to "pity" than "pity" to "rage," the earlier version is probably original.[31]
Originally posted by Elsha
reply to post by studythem1
studythem....apologetics is not a philosophy so it can't have circular reasoning. Apologetics is a study of the combination of archeological proofs of the claims of the bible. Apologetics also studies textual authenticity based on secular accepted modes of analysis. Apologetics also examines biblical prophecy using mathematical probabilities. Apolgetics further examines issues such as the trial of Christ, the resurrection, and the historicity of the Roman's in the case of Jesus of Nazareth.
Apologetics is based on historicity so its not circular.