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That all becomes irrelevant when "heaven is coming".
. . . billions of people may not have anything to eat, last night, OR tomorrow, and they certainly have nothing to laugh about . . .
t's a sort of trap people fall into, this not caring because someone else is going to do it. That sort of thinking is not what traditional Christianity was about, and it is a relatively recent shift towards that sort of thinking that has been planted into the religion to weaken society leading to the downfall of civilization and the takeover by an external political entity.
that's an interesting view point and i appreciate you sharing it. in a way i personally believe that Jesus is indeed the only way in sense of he showed people the right way to live and how to treat and respect your fellow man. he opened up the spiritual side of people. i'm not very familiar at all with the teachings of Muhammad as i have grown up a christian my entire life, but i would like to learn more of that view point.
Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
reply to post by jhill76
Not to stir the pot and draw out the usual anti-Islam suspects (though I have a feeling it will happen), but to answer your question from an Islamic standpoint: Most Muslims believe that if Jesus really did make this statement (we question the authenticity of the Bible) then it should be taken in the historical context. He was speaking to the Jews and he specifically said many times "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
So it seems he was sent to preach to the children of Israel, not the whole world. He was sent to reform the way that Jews were worshipping the One God, to correct their corruptions. Muhammad was sent to spread the message to the whole world.
I wasn't too clear, sorry, about what I meant.
But you say it's "a relatively recent shift"? How do you mean? Sorry, not following. Which sort of thinking is the weakening one?
When you were very young, do you remember there ever being preached in church the idea of an imminent rapture?
Originally posted by solongandgoodnight
that's an interesting view point and i appreciate you sharing it. in a way i personally believe that Jesus is indeed the only way in sense of he showed people the right way to live and how to treat and respect your fellow man. he opened up the spiritual side of people. i'm not very familiar at all with the teachings of Muhammad as i have grown up a christian my entire life, but i would like to learn more of that view point.
Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
reply to post by jhill76
Not to stir the pot and draw out the usual anti-Islam suspects (though I have a feeling it will happen), but to answer your question from an Islamic standpoint: Most Muslims believe that if Jesus really did make this statement (we question the authenticity of the Bible) then it should be taken in the historical context. He was speaking to the Jews and he specifically said many times "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
So it seems he was sent to preach to the children of Israel, not the whole world. He was sent to reform the way that Jews were worshipping the One God, to correct their corruptions. Muhammad was sent to spread the message to the whole world.
well, doing some research on Muhammad and how he received the recitation (known by the bulk of the world as the Koran) i believe he was approached by an "angel", and given some very common sense guidelines on how to conduct himself when dealing with other people in the region...
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by jmdewey60
When you were very young, do you remember there ever being preached in church the idea of an imminent rapture?
No.
edit on 22-7-2012 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)
What really troubles me is the "it's never going to change" attitude, that, to me, is a person who has no real reason to want it to change, because they are completely comfortable with things in their own lives.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by autowrench
How is it that you know this, and did you know it from the beginning
Correct. I do not channel or speak.
So....did you make it up? Please elaborate. It seems to me there are a lot of Christians who TALK like they were there in first person, or had a scribe following the man around, writing down everything. You made you statement as facts. No disclaimer, no, "in my opinion," no "this is what I think..."
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by studythem1
well, doing some research on Muhammad and how he received the recitation (known by the bulk of the world as the Koran) i believe he was approached by an "angel", and given some very common sense guidelines on how to conduct himself when dealing with other people in the region...
Yes, arc Gabriel.
they called him Jebril...
but as with any seer, or prophet, they saw things they have no context to compare to, so the true meaning is lost somewhat when they attempt to describe it to those who were not present...
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by studythem1
they called him Jebril...
Yes, many call many of the arcs many different names. But, his name is Gabriel as Father has given.
but as with any seer, or prophet, they saw things they have no context to compare to, so the true meaning is lost somewhat when they attempt to describe it to those who were not present...
I agree, and many take what is written as literal, word for word. Like did Jesus die on a cross? No.
I still dont see how you can have any knowledge of Christ like you claim Jhill that wasnt influenced by the Bible. explain why Christ confirms the scriptures? explain why God does not have the ability to keep his word in tact? Why didnt he just do a rewind when they began corrupting it? Why didnt one of the soldiers (because they are faster) run in there and quickly change it back?
Personally i'm leaning towards ex-Jehovas Witness who thinks he is an angel or something like it
Again this is the reason why the word is important. The lord passed things down to people in the OT and the word is not any different. When you say it has been corrupted or changed etc you open yourself up to all kinds of fantasy that lead to apostasy and people thinking that God's plan is not sufficient for them, they have to add more to it so that they can have "special new agey powers" or become Gods themselves. This is why Jesus said he IS the way because without him man becomes a godless lover of self.
I still dont see how you can have any knowledge of Christ like you claim Jhill that wasnt influenced by the Bible.
Originally posted by jhill76
edit on 23-7-2012 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)