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Is Jesus the only way to God?

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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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In the Old testement GOD says,
I am the only one. no othere will follow me.

God is saying that Only worship Him.

jesus pops up and you lot start worshiping
three of them god. jesus and hole ghost???

any fool can see people keep adding and taking from the bible.
and dont forget faluse profits ! ! !

and most of you are Only good so you can get in to heaven.




posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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You might believe you need to perfect yourself but if you look directly at what you are you might find that you are mistaken.


Jesus is the one who told us and showed us how to perfect ourselves. Unlike you, he knew that there were forces here on earth that would try to keep us from doing God's will.

Don't misunderstand what God's will really is. Just because God knew ahead of time that man was going to use his own free will to judge, hate and destroy the earth, doesn't mean he's the one that made it that way. He only allowed it to happen in order to teach us the difference between good and evil. There are negative forces out there which are influencing our free will and leading mankind astray.

When mankind learns to align his will with God's will, the negative forces will be defeated. Unfortunately, mankind has consciously chosen not to do this. God knew this was going to happen. That's why he created a new heaven/earth for us to reside on. The negative forces will all be destroyed along with this earth when it happens.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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In the Old testement GOD says, I am the only one. no othere will follow me. God is saying that Only worship Him. jesus pops up and you lot start worshiping three of them god. jesus and hole ghost???


Man is to only worship God, not Jesus, but above has come to accept it, because the way things are down here. Even Jesus reveres Father.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Time will not save you from this nightmare you seem to be having. If you believe this is not good enough and that there is better later, you will never see what is really here.
Only now is but humans want what is later because there is a promise of better - that promise is deceptive.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Time will not save you from this nightmare you seem to be having. If you believe this is not good enough and that there is better later, you will never see what is really here.
Only now is but humans want what is later because there is a promise of better - that promise is deceptive.


My nightmare? If you believe what you're seeing is good enough, you're the one living in a nightmare.

No, I see what is here. Negative forces working endlessly to destroy mankind and the earth. Just because I see it doesn't mean I participate in it.

I just try to align my will with God's will in order to help others and to keep my own life running smoothly, regardless of what's going on around me.

What's deceptive is/are whatever negative forces are working to keep people from doing God's will and to encourage people to follow their own desires and will over God's.

Unfortunately, the Bible says that if people choose their own will or beliefs over His, that he will allow people to keep their own delusions in order to believe their lies while they are here on earth.


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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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The movie of life, existence, is amazingly diverse. If the tv and media play a lot on the screen of life you most likely see a horror movie.
Worldly events and worldly things will not satisfy. They bring suffering and the suffering may be recognized as your own and you may ask yourself 'who is it that suffers?'.
Return to source. Be like the prodigal son and return home to the father. Do not wait and do not expect any one else to follow.

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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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Positive forces? Negative forces?
These are not fighting each other for survival. They depend on each other for their existence - for existence to be.
You are the witness of existence. Existence only appears to exist whereas you have to be there before and after it appears and disappears. You as the present awareness.
I am the alpha and the omega.

You think you are a person but you are present awareness.
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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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Ok I did not read all the post on this thread so I am just going to spit out my thoughts.

I dont want to put anyones belief in Jesus under judgement if he was

implying truth or not, or even if the story was manipulated and taken out

of context or not. Because I was not there to be witness of the possible

ill-translated facts through all the past generations and misinterpreting

words up to our generations.

My point of view trying to understand the subject of " The Father's Law"

is Jesus was teaching us about his Father's Law and you can have faith in

His Law and be protected by His Kingdom too and safe from the plaques and

diseases of man-made civil laws of the nations. Jesus understood the truth

of the jurisdictional powers of the laws of his generation. His teachings

implied to us about how he is servant(subject) or a begotten Son(member of

a Kingdom not from hence) to the Father in Heaven subject to His Father's

Divine Will and addressing himself ouside Pilate's jurisdiction marking

himself in The Father's Kingdom under ONLY The Father's Laws and immune to

the constitutional contracts that the Holy Roman Empire establishment of a

social society or the social contract of that time where the free-agent

(independent agent) has a choice of faith in whose laws they want to be

members of; Civil Society under ethical morals or The Father's Kingdom and

His Will with Divine Morality.

Jesus was claiming not to be a free-agent nor member of that civil

society(nation) and certainly did not claim to be the King of the Jews but

only claiming to be a member of The Father's Kingdom under His

jurisdictional Laws as His only Begotten Servant(Son) during that

generation. He knew exactly what his "characteristics of status" that he

needed to address himself where His Father in the Heaven Kingdom would

protect him from the judges of roman civil law of that social society.

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John 18:33-38

John 18:33 Pilate therefore entered again into the Praetorium, and called

Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?

34 Jesus answered, Sayest thou this of thyself, or did others tell it thee

concerning me?

35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests

delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of

this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered

to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered,

Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end have I been born, and to this

end am I come into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.

Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he

went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find no crime in him.

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At this point Pilate saw Jesus as not a free-agent (independent man)

claiming to be the king of the jews or a member(subject) of their nation

and their jurisdictional laws, but saw his divinity and found no crime in

him. Pilate and his nation had no jurisdiction over Jesus being a divine

moral agent of his kingdom and was handed over to the jews for judgement

and washing his hands from judging Jesus unlawfully.

But how does one become divine? Well I have done alot of research on

divinity and only came to this conclusion. To be divine your morals must

not be ethical, but must be conform to the obedience to the divine will

and as a person (a contracted agent through an agency (the social

contract) cannot declare Divine Morals unless as a "free-agent" accepting

the faith in The Father's Law and His Will in His Kingdom. In other words

you must not be bound or subjected by a master, sovereign or creditor as a

slave to another man acting as your godhead by contract, there must be no

contract or obligation you must fullfill, you must be as free-agent.

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Morality n.

2. The quality of an action which renders it good; the conformity of an

act to the divine law, or to the principles of rectitude. This conformity

implies that the act must be performed by a free agent, and from a motive

of obedience to the divine will. This is the strict theological and

scriptural sense of morality. But we often apply the word to actions which

accord with justice and human laws, without reference to the motives form

which they proceed.

Definition of Morality Webster 1828 Dictionary
www.webster1828.com...

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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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So my conclusion about worshipping The Father through Jesus must be a

misinterpretation of the Gospels from the vices of greed and power of

those men who like to wear big hats to keep mankind to fear them instead

of The Father in Heaven. You can't wait and sit around and wait for a

second coming of Christ or a confortor to ease the pains, plagues and

diseases that the civil society (social contract) burdens their citizens

upon with forced manipulated sufferage (eg. economy, money, right to land,

etc.) to keep the free-agent polling yourself with political right at the

voting machines hoping the contracted agency and it's elected sovereign in

office wont plunder you as much as the sovereign he succeeded.

The Christian Church is an agent that is independent labeled as a 'state'

religion. They force their nation states and their citizens to believe in

one G-d. Christianity as a man made religion created as a creature of the

"state" manipulating you to believe that you must go through Jesus and a

confusing 'trinity of persons to reach for The Father's salvation. But why

would you need a bridge to get to The Father when He is already in you and

part of you when all you have to do is declare to be obedient to His

Divine Will. Are you worshipping the wrong God when you worship Jesus or

any other diety acting as a bridge in your quest for salvation when you

are reaching your hand out to the only Absolute Sovereign of the Heavens

begging to be taken out of a system that is full of sin that they call

ethical morals?

Who is this bridge builder in our times that keeps mankind from reaching

salvation acting as the gatekeeper in Christianity if Jesus himself said

he was only servant to His Father. Christianity has interpreted that you

must go through Jesus to access The Father's salvation. Whom created this

diety for the soul purpose to block us from our own salvation without any

agency involved. Lets ask our ancient bridge builders of the Holy Roman

Empire and their priests of their man-made kingdoms "pontifex maximus"

Would these high priest have a reason to get in the way of man's salvation

by stepping in as the agency (mediator) under ecclesiastical law acting as

The Father's appointed government on earth? What do they have to gain?

Power?...World domination?

We may never learn until everyone realizes the covenants or contracts,

treaties etc. that they find themselves under, especially with the power

of your signature, you may find yourself seperated from The Father's

Divine Will and walking in the "state of nature"(state of war) with

selfish free-will as a free-agent (see. Declaraton of Independence) and by

vote constitutionally(see State and Federal Constitutions) contracted by

another bridge looking for toll and tribute inflicting sufferage upon

their citizens with their social services that keep us zealously bound to

their system with no remedy of escape but only keeping us in debt.

Gods Divine Will is written in your hearts be humble, be humiliated, pay

attention because some false preacher might be stepping in your way in

your reach for The Father and the jurisdiction of the Garden of Eden.

Proverbs of Solomon 1:7. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

And all who practise this have good understanding. And piety towards God

is the beginning of discernment: but the wicked despise wisdom and

instruction. --- BIBLE IN THE TRANSLATION OF CHARLES THOMSON.

What is your Characteristics of status?
Is the nation that you are a member of keeping you from reaching The

Father for the fear that their power would seize to exist if everyone

awakened to the reality of their evil motives and techniques to keep their

kingdom existing and falling bringing The Father's Will back to Earth.

They sure know how to keep information from the sensitive minds of

children in there pragamatic school system where they control what they

learn so in time they stay asleep from the truth of their "characteristics

of status" under the guise of freedom or just hiiden under a
"veil of ignorance"

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References:

Principles of Rectitude
archive.org...

The Social Contract or the Principles of Political Right
www.constitution.org...

The Laws of Nations or Principles of the Laws of Nature Applied to the

Conduct and affairs of Nations and Sovereigns
www.constitution.org...

Veil of Ignorance
en.wikipedia.org...

also see John Rawl's philosophy on his "Original Position"
plato.stanford.edu...



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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But why would you need a bridge to get to The Father when He is already in you and part of you when all you have to do is declare to be obedient to His Divine Will. Are you worshipping the wrong God when you worship Jesus or any other diety acting as a bridge in your quest for salvation when you are reaching your hand out to the only Absolute Sovereign of the Heavens begging to be taken out of a system that is full of sin that they call ethical morals?



The reason we have a bridge between us and God is two reasons. First, because the people of the Bible asked for it. God could not be seen or heard by humans without facing death. So, God told these people that he would send Jesus to be the mediator so they could walk and talk with him in the form of the flesh.

Second, God needed to send someone perfect to the earth in order to cleanse the earth of sin. Only a perfect human sacrifice was suitable.

In order to have God in you, you have to receive the Holy Spirit. You're not born with it. You're only born with enough knowledge of God in order to ask questions and seek out God and his will. What you do with it from there is your own choice.

Complete spiritual transformation doesn't occur until you access the Holy Spirit. As humans, we're not capable of accessing God through anything other than the Holy Spirit, otherwise we would die.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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God still cannot be seen or heard by humans. The human believes that he an individual, separate from everything, separate from God, that human has to die to know God. You have to sacrifice your false self to realize what you are. You have to die as a personal self, you will suffer until you die just like i did.
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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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God could not be seen or heard by humans without facing death. So, God told these people that he would send Jesus to be the mediator so they could walk and talk with him in the form of the flesh.


What about today. Can man still talk and see God? I guess, I could see your point if Jesus was here today, but what about the ones after his death, how are they supposed to do this?

In the OT, Father talked to a lot of humans.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by visualmiscreant
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Is it a conscious choice, or is he misled by his own understanding of things as presented by those he has learned from; or by what he has learned on his own?

I'll check back later; have to get back to work...
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It is both. Man has the ability to stay on the right path, but he falls into influences surrounding him. Take a look at the world today, there are very few, who acts as their own person. Many follow trends, ideals, and everything else that others do.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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In this moment you are no more. You as a separate individual can only appear to exist in past and future.
This moment is all there is and what is appearing is it. There is nothing more.
Then a story of me and my past and my future make a person that cannot exist because only this isness is.
Stories appear presently in and as this.

This always looks different but it is all there is. There is nothing outside of it and nothing inside of it, this is complete.
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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by jhill76

What about today. Can man still talk and see God? I guess, I could see your point if Jesus was here today, but what about the ones after his death, how are they supposed to do this?

In the OT, Father talked to a lot of humans.


Today we're able to see and talk to God through the use of the Holy Spirit.

In the OT, Father did talk to humans, but only under certain conditions and not like we can now. Moses would usually go to the top of the Mountain, and even then, God only appeared to him in the form of a burning bush, etc.. Moses would have been considered a mediator back then, just like Jesus was in his day. Now we don't need anyone as a mediator since we have access to the Holy Spirit.

I think people underestimate the power of God! We are not even capable of standing in his presence, much less harness him into our little world and universe and say we are a part of Him. We can only access Him through the Holy Spirit.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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I think people underestimate the power of God! We are not even capable of standing in his presence, much less harness him into our little world and universe and say we are a part of Him. We can only access Him through the Holy Spirit.


I see, I don't even know why I asked this question in the first place. Man is given access to God via way of the Holy Spirit. The ones from above, hold direct council with Father.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Since when do you know so much about God? God is infinite. Be quiet and sit down, false prophet.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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Do you have anything productive to add to this conversation without calling names?



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Jhill, here is my honest answer:


Could Jesus have meant, imitate me, be like me, and you can enter heaven? Do you really think people who lived their lives like Brother, but don't accept him as Savior will be sent to eternal damnation?


We were meant to walk like Jesus, think like God, and love like the Holy Ghost. Does this make sense to you?

But remember: due to our nature, threats and punishment are never truly effective. Should we become more power than a god we fear, we will destroy it. Should we become as powerful as a god we love, we will embrace and rejoice with it.

Fear is the tool of the weak. Would God use fear against us, or even require fear from us? Those are the words of man, not God. To know what or who God is, you must first forget everything man has told you about God, because they know only what they want to know, and see only what they want to see.

If you are truly willing to know, then look within.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
In this moment you are no more. You as a separate individual can only appear to exist in past and future.
This moment is all there is and what is appearing is it. There is nothing more.
Then a story of me and my past and my future make a person that cannot exist because only this isness is.
Stories appear presently in and as this.

This always looks different but it is all there is. There is nothing outside of it and nothing inside of it, this is complete.
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Is it possible, you could rephrase this in a different way? I am trying to follow, but to me it reads in an endless loop.



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