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Originally posted by stupid girl
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by stupid girl
the answer is an infinite loop of perception.
Yes, it is. Thank you for your answer. I think if others saw it like you saw it (my question), they would understand what I am getting at.
edit on 20-7-2012 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)
Do I get a gold star now?
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by stupid girl
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by stupid girl
the answer is an infinite loop of perception.
Yes, it is. Thank you for your answer. I think if others saw it like you saw it (my question), they would understand what I am getting at.
edit on 20-7-2012 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)
Do I get a gold star now?
No, now we get to take you above to see heaven!
Originally posted by jhill76
Now, we get to the substance of the conversation.
So, others may follow this. Some, say Messiah is the Word made Flesh, not being a savior. So, can you explain why you equate messiah with Savior?
Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
reply to post by jhill76
Not to stir the pot and draw out the usual anti-Islam suspects (though I have a feeling it will happen), but to answer your question from an Islamic standpoint: Most Muslims believe that if Jesus really did make this statement (we question the authenticity of the Bible) then it should be taken in the historical context. He was speaking to the Jews and he specifically said many times "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
So it seems he was sent to preach to the children of Israel, not the whole world. He was sent to reform the way that Jews were worshipping the One God, to correct their corruptions. Muhammad was sent to spread the message to the whole world.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Deetermined
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Yes, we all know what he did. But, where is the requirement to confess that he is savior to get into heaven.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Deetermined
John 8:31-36
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Deetermined
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Yes, we all know what he did. But, where is the requirement to confess that he is savior to get into heaven.
Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Originally posted by jhill76
No, that's words of another. I am asking where did Jesus state this?
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by jhill76
No, that's words of another. I am asking where did Jesus state this?
Matthew 10:32-33
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Originally posted by jhill76
Many are taught that accepting Jesus Christ and accepting him into your life, you will be saved from hell. But, did Brother make this claim? The closest we can come to this is:
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Could Jesus have meant, imitate me, be like me, and you can enter heaven? Do you really think people who lived their lives like Brother, but don't accept him as Savior will be sent to eternal damnation?
You have other scriptures that talk about accepting Christ, but did Brother specifically say to do this or perish? Is it possible with having a direct relationship with God, or choosing your own way to God, but being good?edit on 19-7-2012 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jhill76
This comes close, but he is talking about confessing as in walking the walk, still not confessing him as Savior to gain access to heaven.
I am a follower of the teachings of Jesus as presented in the Urantia Book. In the Life and Teachings of Jesus laid out in its pages he does say the above quote that no one comes to the Father except through me. But let me explain the expanded view of what that means as described in the Urantia Book (www.urantia.org...).
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by visualmiscreant
There is the living by the law; which has pretty much been described as impossible.
This is what others will tell you is impossible, but it is not. Father said there was none righteous no not no one. Man can overcome, he just chooses not to. If man did, Brother wouldn't have had to come down.edit on 20-7-2012 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)
The Urantia Book, first published by Urantia Foundation in 1955, claims to have been presented by celestial beings as a revelation to our planet, Urantia.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Deetermined
No, that talks about changing ways, but not confessing him as savior as a requirement. I appreciate you looking, but this has been taught by others and not Jesus himself. If I am wrong, I will gladly admit it.