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Texas to Ban Critical Thinking That Challenges Religon?

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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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Whoa there!

Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.


Can someone explain to me how behavior modification is involved with OBE (wikipedia)?


Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs


Can someone explain to me how the above are "relabeled" OBE?

I think there is some mass confusion going on here promulgated years ago by the severely kooky severely conservatives that William F. Buckley warned us about.
pdf of Iserbyt
Phyllis Schlafly


reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
 


Most excellent read!
Sure explains a lot!
I'm going to start and nominate you for Link of the Year award



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I think Dr. John W. Traphagan is the messenger and not the villain here.


While this position from conservatives is unsurprising, it bodes ill for the maintenance of a healthy democracy.




posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
To me this article means that the schooling system cannot intentionally try to create thinkers that use logic and facts to purposely slam religious beliefs. We have a freedom of religion in this country so this just reinforces that freedom. If we make a bunch of educated intelligent people to fight religion than we are actually interfering with peoples freedom of religion and freedom to raise their children the way they desire to. This is a good law, it stops the creation of super atheists.

I have no problems with religions unless they force their beliefs on others. I believe in scientific research but also know if science is left to go into power over everyone it will be worse than any religion ever was. Power corrupts people and power creates evidence to reinforce it's policies. Science is not immune to the influence of power. Checks and balances are needed in society. Look at history to get verification of what I see, history is littered with how advancements in science's technology have created problems in the world. Technology may have advanced but mankind has not advanced that much. Power rules.


Science teacher that is not allowed to challenge student's religious beliefs, asks, "Who can tell me how a volcano is formed?"
Student: God made it.
Science teacher that is not allowed to challenge student's religious beliefs, says, "Class dismissed. No sense in trying to teach you kids anything."
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History teacher that is not allowed to challenge student's religious beliefs, asks, "How did America win the war of 1812?"
Student: God was on our side.
History teacher that is not allowed to challenge student's religious beliefs, says, "Class dismissed. No sense in trying to teach you kids anything."
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This is what this law will do.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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This some kind of play to split Texas voters between Briggs and Myers type Thinkers and Feelers?
Its been done before its not rocket science. Saddle the horse and get ready to watch the rodeo.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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I hope Klassified doesn't mind me quoting from his post on the first page:

From the actual PDF:

Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.
That's why.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Oh come on now. Would people take this to extremes
I see your point.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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This is a fight for Texans only. And if they want to ban religion, or ban intellectualism both are their rights, so Texas it's up to you and your State Constitution. Good luck. And Either outcome God Bless.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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Ok. So, would the Texas GOP be fine with "values clarification, critical thinking skills and similar programs" that are NOT using behavior modification? Would they be fine with OBE that is NOT using behavior modification?

Would they be fine with behavior modification in education if it did NOT have the "purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority"

Would the Texas GOP support behavior modification in
the workplace
health
child rearing

Is the Texas GOP's concern with behavior modification, schools/teachers "challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority", or both?



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 11:45 PM
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reply to post by desert
 

Dear desert,

Aw, gee, cut me a little slack will you? I'm not a Texan and I'm not part of any party's organization at even the lowest level. How am I supposed to know what the Texas GOP is thinking?

I can try to interpret that plank though, knowing that I could be completely off. (Besides, party planks are never intended to be detailed legislative proposals.)

It looks like they are opposed to any programs

which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.
I think they're concerned with both the behavior modification and the "challenging" parts. I'm guessing here, but I don't think they'd like any program with the challenging part. I wonder if they should have changed the "and" to "or."

But my first thought, that they were opposed to certain programs and not to critical thinking itself, still stands.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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hey, sorry I didnt see your post.

Well,



"And I heard another voice from heaven saying, 'Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities'"


I see this as a warning to be careful what we take into our spiritual lives. That we must separate ourselves from the practices of old which condemned a prior creation and from which the "enemy" was the most exalted.

That world having been laid waste is being "remembered" for that prior judgment of times past. We are filled spiritually with Babylon and aligned with her idols. Her practices and ways being imposed on God's creation in an effort to corrupt still this world.

We have to forfeit her protection and be "birthed" from her a new people in God.


EDIT:
Babylon (or Babel) was the capital of an ancient empire. The name means "confusion" and originates from the confusion of languages which halted the building of the tower of Babel. Babylon being the place of the rebirth of ancient antediluvian schools of thought.


Symbolically, Babylon represents the confusion of idolatry and false religion.

edit on 20-7-2012 by BIHOTZ because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Dear Charles, I shall not cut you any slack, because I always enjoy your posts.
I enjoy your passion for a dispassionate analysis of information supplied by posters. You are able to put a cone of reason over information and tease out the kernels of truth and logic.

I agree with the rest of your post.

Sincerely, desert

PS This plank reminds me of the stuff I read about back in the 1980s. Phyllis Schlafly's very influential letter for parents can be found in this pdf article



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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Dear desert,

Aw, shucks, Slim. You know better than to talk thataways, S'posin' folks round these parts heard you. Why, I couldn't show my face in Miss Kitty's saloon fer all the ribbin' I'd get.

Thank you very much. I don't like to start fighting until I know what's true. One old saying that sticks with me is "Nothing is ever as good or as bad as first reported."

You're right about the Schlafly letter. She must have been very frightened. I suppose many of our posters are scared, so they post out of fear or anger. That's one thing I like about this kind of communication. It gives me a chance to step back and ask, do I really want to send this?

Anyway, thanks again. I'm going to spend the day with a permanent blush.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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