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Originally posted by RoScoLaz
this video speaks for itself;
And I am old enough to remember that they did not disapper quickly. Low flying planes yes. But the high flying planes had contrails that spread out and out and out and out making a thin white cloud that lasted for hours.
Originally posted by chadderson
reply to post by ZombieJesus
If you can create clouds, you have to understand how the process works, this uncovers not only the creation but the destruction. Everything in reality functions out of polarity in some way shape or form, this is a duality we live in.
Yes, clouds can be created, and clouds can be destroyed.
Originally posted by SpittinTruth
Originally posted by Uncinus
Originally posted by chadderson
Then it is settled. Jet trails can cause clouds, and jet trails can also dessipate entirely. I guess i began spouting on for no real reason as you never indicated any disagreement.
Yes. The dissipation (or not) depends on the weather. That's why it only does it on some days of the year. That's also why it only does it at certain altitudes, and even just certain regions of the sky, as humidity varies.
But the important point here is that the chemtrail promoters are ignoring this, and essentially lying about it.
I'm just gonna My eyes don't lie. But, your books are FULL OF THEM!
Now, i'm gonna ask....how come people stopped talking about this; for the past 2 months? All of a sudden, you're gonna chime in??? Pah-lease!
Originally posted by WiseThinker
I still fear this topic has been deliberately diluted and twisted to what it is today.
Think about it this way, if there was a few planes, flying around spraying chemicals, how better to hide it, than start spreading ridiculousness rumors and control the direction of the "truth" movement before its created.
Disinfo is not a new tool, and there is no better way to hide something in plain sight , which it is, if there is any merit to it, because the movement that is supposed to uncover it, us bugged down with BS info and a idiotic approach to the issue.
It is infantile to believe that the atmosphere has not been weaponized.
Multiple military openly state that they use Chemtrails on military craft to hide them from radar.
The British experimented with cloud seeding as early as 1920
In the US and other countries, you can now hire companies for could seeding.
For military applications, than changing properties, for stealth, detection, deflection and other applications chemicals are used as stated earlier, so wonder what black budget projects are involved with chemicals in the atmosphere.
If they are indeed using HAARP technology on the public, than it would only be natural to seed the sky, to make it more responsive to the frequencies (remember IF they are )
So denying chem trails is as stupid as denying long lasting contrails, Chem trails are a FACT and have been for a while, the conversation as said, has somehow been twisted, to stupid BS babble about nothing relevant.
Sorry for rant, but this thread is really making me angry, we are supposed to deny ignorance and search for truth, but all i see is one faction bashing a less knowing faction of the same movement, for gods sake, teach them, enlighten them, don't look down on them or think you are better because you know. This is why there will be no revolution, people would rather rage and point out each other flaws, than helping the fellow man and enriching him where he is lacking, who knows, he may know something you don't.
Namaste
This has nothing to do with anything. Once again, we have an aspirant debunker, who would not know genuine logic if it hit him in the face.
Quoting a single article by a single academic, has absolutely no relevance whatsoever, to individuals who have directly seen chemtrails themselves.
This highlights, again, the primary difference between debunkers and the genuinely intelligent. Those who maintain a truly scientific attitude towards such things, are not going to immediately discount the possible experience of anyone, and especially not their own
A debunker, on the other hand, is someone who has been brainwashed into believing that thought in general terms, is to be left up to a closed circle of external "authorities," and that any human being who is not one of said "authorities," has no legitimate right to have an opinion about anything, or to claim that they have had an experience which might contradict the opinions of said, "authorities," to the point of completely denying the evidence of their own senses, if necessary.
Originally posted by SpittinTruth
Originally posted by Uncinus
Originally posted by SpittinTruth
Enough with your "Popular Science" article crap! You act like that's the BIBLE. The same people that work for Rolling Stone, work for Popular Science. Why you people take these magazines like they're gospel, is beyond me????
Well, do you think the article is true or false? If it's false then why do you think that?
Why do i think it's "false". Uh, maybe because it's also a well known fact...that the top scientists in the world...work for TPTB. Therefore, do you think TPTB are gonna let those scientists tell us the "truth"????
If you're using a source, TPTB use to manipulate people, as your example....well....shame on you!
Again, believe what you want to believe! It's what TPTB want you to believe anyway.
Originally posted by TraitorKiller
reply to post by yorkshirelad
And I am old enough to remember that they did not disapper quickly. Low flying planes yes. But the high flying planes had contrails that spread out and out and out and out making a thin white cloud that lasted for hours.
I am from the 80's and I definately remember the contrails not lingering. In fact I noticed that they linger nowadays in the past 5 years.
And it seems that even the hardcore skeptics agree that something has changed, so I don't know how your statement is accurate.edit on 19-7-2012 by TraitorKiller because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by yorkshirelad
Originally posted by WiseThinker
So they do NOT believe, that every single aircraft is part of a depopulation conspiracy, nor do they deny contrails, or the lasting effect of them. They are claiming a conspiracy, where the military or private companies, are flying with specially fitted passenger planes which have been fitted with chem tanks instead.
Deny Ignorance
Namasteedit on 18/7/12 by WiseThinker because: (no reason given)
And what maniac working in the military or these private companies is going to spary chemicals which will also affect themselves and their families.
Sorry but unless you can show me where all the chemtrail perpetrators are living (an air filtered bunker) where they are growing the crops to fed themselves (air filtered greenhouses) then this is ILLOGICAL NONSENSE.
You want to know why airlines use a hub and spoke system?
Originally posted by weknowall
OK. I admit it, I give, I give. You are correct, you can prove ONE part of a chemtrail believers arguments is false in that contrails actually do hang around and don't necessarily dissipate. Great, thanx.
Now if you could come up with something better, like say evidence that the government is spraying something but it is a harmless air freshener, then that would be sweet. OR, exact procedures from airline industries explaining the reason for one plane to repeatedly spray tic-tac-toe boards in the skies above - which I have seen several times here in INDIANA - for no apparent reason at all. Do you got something like that????
No?
Then otherwise, YOU HAVENT REALLY DISPROVED THE CHEMTRAIL THEORY THEN EITHER, now have you? Merely one bullet point of their argument for it.
Good job. I give you capital KUDO"S for that!!
Now come back and see us when you get something along the lines of what I mentioned above. mmmmkay?edit on 19-7-2012 by weknowall because: none
The purpose of the hub-and-spoke system is to save airlines money and give passengers better routes to destinations. Airplanes are an airline's most valuable commodity, and every flight has certain set costs. Each seat on the plane represents a portion of the total flight cost. For each seat that is filled by a passenger, an airline lowers its break-even price, which is the seat price at which an airline stops losing money and begins to show a profit on the flight.
On any given day, more than 87,000 flights are in the skies in the United States. Only one-third are commercial carriers, like American, United or Southwest. On an average day, air traffic controllers handle 28,537 commercial flights (major and regional airlines), 27,178 general aviation flights (private planes), 24,548 air taxi flights (planes for hire), 5,260 military flights and 2,148 air cargo flights (Federal Express, UPS, etc.). At any given moment, roughly 5,000 planes are in the skies above the United States. In one year, controllers handle an average of 64 million takeoffs and landings.
For every one flight you see listed on an airport monitor, two you don't see show up on air traffic controllers' screens. It would take approximately 7,300 airport terminal monitors to show all the flights controllers handle in a single day and approximately 460 monitors to show the number of flights being handled at any one time.