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Originally posted by nihilistnick
The fact one must drudge up from the recesses of popular culture a snippet of non-peer reviewed "science" in the name of debunking the most obvious deceit of weather modification in modern times, is ludicrous. .
Be weary.
-Nick
Originally posted by Uncinus
Chemtrail believers claim that persistent contrails are a new thing, and they call the persistent trails "chemtrails". They also claims that contrails don't last a long time, and they certainly don't spread out and cause cirrus clouds and overcast skies. They also claim the chemtrails started in the late 1990s.
Originally posted by Uncinus
So if contrails did this 43 years ago, and back then they were doing it for 30 to 40 days of the year, then why do some people insist that this is something new? Why the mantra of "contrails fade away, chemtrails persist and spread"? Clearly contrails quite frequently persist and spread, at least according to the science of 43 years ago.
Originally posted by Uncinus
So consider your options here, what could be going on?
A) The Popular Science Article is a modern fake.
B) The Popular Science Article is 1969 Propaganda, brainwashing people for the chemtrails to come.
C) The Popular Science Article is true.
Originally posted by Uncinus
So what do you think, chemtrail believers? One of the above? Something else? Clearly someone is lying to you. Is it me? Is it Popular Science from 43 years ago? Or is it Michael J. Murphy?
The information which has been presented to you is incorrect. Water vapor is invisible. Contrails, like cirrus clouds, are composed of ice crystals.
And, according to the information that has been presented to me, it is indeed a fact that jet contrails disperse rather quickly as they are a thin streak of water vapor in a large, expansive sky.
The fact is that water vapor from airliners does produce clouds whenever the atmospheric conditions (temperature, pressure, humidity) allow it.
The fact is that water vapor from airliners does not (usually) form clouds.
Originally posted by GhostLancer
according to the information that has been presented to me, it is indeed a fact that jet contrails disperse rather quickly as they are a thin streak of water vapor in a large, expansive sky.
Originally posted by Advancedboy
Chemtrails can`t be debunked with references to popular scientific magazines that are even unable to talk about physics behind WTC 7 collapse. We know how reliable those large printing houses are, some are so reliable that they even have 6 reporters going to work simultaneously on a 200 yard strip along the Pentagon so they could report a striking aeroplane; go USA Today.
I have collected a lot of suspicious videos, follow the link and study the cases. Then report back.
www.alienscientist.com.../page3edit on 08.15.09 by Advancedboy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Thorazine
Originally posted by GhostLancer
according to the information that has been presented to me, it is indeed a fact that jet contrails disperse rather quickly as they are a thin streak of water vapor in a large, expansive sky.
This is the crux of the issue. Your understanding is incorrect...which leads you to assumptions and conclusions that will, inevitably, also be incorrect.
In fact, the article from the OP shows that your belief was incorrect even back in 1969
I am curious- what is this "information" that has been presented to you...can you supply it?
Alas, said information is wrong...contrails are NOT water vapor...water VAPOR is invisible...a contrails gets its name from the aforementioned vapor condensing into droplets- which then freeze into ice crystals...because its well below zero at typical flight levels...
These ice crystals either dissipate quickly or persist depending on ambient humidity levels...
Follow this link to 100s of papers written over the last several decades that shows how your understanding...your belief...is incorrect:
scholar.google.com...
Originally posted by GhostLancer
Okay, let me rephrase in simpler terms: The WHITE STUFF that comes out of jetliners that looks like thin, vaprous clouds NORMALLY disperses quickly unless there is more to it that water vapor --or ice crystals--- or whatever that "normal" stuff consists of. That's what I meant when I said water vapor. I mis-wrote.
Example: Governor Jesse Ventura speaks out about MANY stories not reported in mainstream media. His show is edited and put on hiatus. I liked his show, for it covered (uncovered) facts that the general public is not exposed to, such as the proliferation of biological warfare labs throughout our country and other facts (chemtrails included). Fox News attempted to railroad his interview and portray him as a loon, even having one of their "coolest" commentators harshly stomp off the stage.
Example: Important stories such as Morgellon's disease get very little media coverage. The doctor who spoke out against vaccinations was buried by the media, to the point where the man had to "cave in" and relent in order to continue to make a living even though he brought forth important facts about the issue and revealed that vaccine companies previously used mercury-based preservatives in childrens' vaccines --a fact not mentioned frequently if ever by the media.
This comprehensive study of an unexplained apparent dermopathy demonstrated no infectious cause and no evidence of an environmental link. There was no indication that it would be helpful to perform additional testing for infectious diseases as a potential cause. Future efforts should focus on helping patients reduce their symptoms through careful attention to treatment of co-existing medical, including psychiatric conditions, that might be contributing to their symptoms.
Originally posted by GhostLancer
The media is not covering chemtrails for whatever reasons their corporate owners have to keep this topic suppressed.
Originally posted by LosTNForGotteNWayS
I notice the article doesn't mention "Chem-trails", just the average "Con-trails"...
Is it because they didn't start for about 15 years after this?
Originally posted by GhostLancer
Originally posted by Advancedboy
Example: Charlie Sheen speaks out about 9-11. The media ridicules him and overblows reporting on his possible addiction, engaging him --daring him to take the bait and publically strike back, which he does and this fuels the fire for their initial plan.
I can go on, but this is about chemtrails. The media is not covering chemtrails for whatever reasons their corporate owners have to keep this topic suppressed.
For one any Charlie Sheen story after the late 90's are going to bring up his past drug issues because he's most famous for being the bad boy drug addict who doesn't give a crap a similar situation is Lindsay Lohan. Lets not forget most tv shows praised him for speaking out what he believes no matter what and allowed him, Alex Jones, and Webster Tarpley to come on shows and talk about it. I'm a huge Charlie Sheen fan but possbile addiction are you kidding he was getting high when he was speaking out on 9/11 and just ruined his marriage to Denise Richards due to drug addiction and threats of violence and don't even get me started on Jesse Ventura's tv show.
Originally posted by nihilistnick
The fact one must drudge up from the recesses of popular culture a snippet of non-peer reviewed "science" in the name of debunking the most obvious deceit of weather modification in modern times, is ludicrous. This whole post smells fishier than fish! CoIntelPro anyone? ATS reeks of senseless disinformation these days. Anyway. Just wanted to make my first post on ATS with an intriguing story, after monitoring it for a while now. There is a lot of disinfo on here, possibly the work of government agents. Be weary. Take in all facts and all sides of every story and don't jump to crazy conclusions - but always remember: the owners of the world and its governments and corporations are not to be trusted!
Anyone else been down the Broad Rivers or witnessed military aircraft watching them while kayaking or other outdoor adventuring?
-Nick
Originally posted by Kang69
OP you do know that most Magazines, (including popular science) Newspapers, Textbook companies, News stations and even the movie industry are in the Council on Foreign Relations? Of course this is bull#. Even then, you don't have to believe that the Gov. is releasing deadly Toxins. Everybody on the planet is if they are using a petrol engine.
The same people that are poisoning us are the same that are making a killing in the Pharmaceutical Cartel.
It is no coincidence.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
www.businesswire.com...
www.dentalwellness4u.com...
Do you know what these people are making off of Heart Disease? One of the Primary diseases from Mercury Poisoning? They're making a killing.
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by totallackey
. Any form of mercury will cause neurological problems ..