Did the Holocaust Really Happen?, page 6


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reply posted on 18-7-2012 @ 02:29 PM by blueorder
Originally posted by illuminnaughty
reply to
post by jrmcleod



Yes I agree with you. Theose people in the photos look like they starved to death. The americans bombed all day and we brits bombed all night. Every road railway port and any other transport system was bombed. So no food or supplys could get to the camps. In a time of war I would feed my own troops first, rather than any one who was a traitor or who had declared war on my country. Thats why they were in the jail/camp. Just like in the USA. Who rounded up all the japonese and put them in camps.



that is an excellent point- not to negate the suffering and death of anyone in WW2, be they German, Jew, Russian, British whatever, but say the US suffered a massive attack and foodlines, supplies etc were disrupted- would the Japanese camp prisoners have been fed ahead of US soldiers, civilians etc?

No is the answer, and the footage would have been of dead emaciated Japanese.............


reply posted on 18-7-2012 @ 02:40 PM by Blaine91555
Originally posted by jrmcleod
reply to
post by SkullAndBeats235



I'm NOT denying that the Holocaust never occurred but posting a couple of images without any source really doesn't do it for ATS members.

What i will say on the matter is that 90% of all those dead people look like they starved to death...

Did the holocaust happen? I don't know, i have seen documentaries on it and to be honest i can't seem to make up my mind totally...and to be honest it serves NO purpose for me to make up my mind, it is in the past...and there it shall remain!


The reason it matters is that the Neo-Nazi's and Hitler supporters are trying to rewrite history, even though some victims and many who got the story from family members who were victims are still alive. I got a first hand account from a German Lady, now dead, who told me the story of the war from her eyes as a German Citizen. German Citizens were virtual prisoners in their own country. She was used as sex slave by an SS Officer (at age 13) and as she told me how the people of her town made US Flags to wave to welcome the US Troops as Hero's to the German Citizens, the look in her eyes answered any questions I may have had. Yes, the German people welcomed the troops that took down Hitler, they were victims also.

I've had some face to face confrontations with these sick people who are trying to convince people that Hitler was a saint and the Holocaust is not true. They were all both hard core Anti-Semites who want the Jews dead and hard core Racists who belonged to both the Freemen in Montana and the Aryan Nation. All belonged to both groups. They are serious about this and brainwash their children to carry on their plans.

The quickest way to repeat history is to forget history or to rewrite it to hide atrocities like this.

This was way deeper than the Jews. Part of being a Nazi is believing that all less than perfect people should be eliminated (killed) and all children born less than perfect should be killed. You should really deny ignorance by learning this history, so you can't be mislead by evil people and yes Neo-Nazis are genuine evil. If they start hanging out here I know I won't stay and I imagine most members will feel the same.
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reply posted on 18-7-2012 @ 03:13 PM by seberhar
reply to post by SubAce



Just like everything else I never experienced first hand, there's no way to really "KNOW" whether or not it happened. Did some awful things happen? It would definitely appear that way. Did they happen exactly as the media says they did? Does anything ever happen exactly the way the media says they do?
edit on 18-7-2012 by seberhar because: spelling error



reply posted on 18-7-2012 @ 03:38 PM by blueorder
reply to post by AfterInfinity





try reading his post, he is not denying the holocaust....................


reply posted on 18-7-2012 @ 03:43 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by Nephlim



Because the OP wrote the perfect piece of knee jerk bait. And look how many knee jerkers he caught.

Deny ignorance, indeed! How do they do it when they ignored the entire opening post? LOL


reply posted on 18-7-2012 @ 03:54 PM by Biliverdin
Originally posted by Blaine91555
What is even sadder of course is how just like the Nazi's, most Muslims are slaughtered by the radical Islamist, who account for most of the deaths in their own land. Then on top of that while conducting their own Holocaust they try and say the Holocaust never happened. Even sadder. The body count from Muslim on Muslim killing must be staggering in proportions over the centuries. Hardly a day goes by we don't read about a radical Islamist killing a group of innocent Muslims. It's particularly troubling when like the Germans they start killing their own people.


This raises an interesting point actually. When it came to the Germans murdering the ethnic Poles, there was no dilemma. The Wehrmacht rolled in, and behind them went the squads of Einsatzgruppen, rounding up every male over the age of 14 and slaughtering them. No questions asked, no cries of conscience. Later when women and children were included, alcohol was necessary to get them in the 'mood', but apart from that, still very little qualms. Relatively speaking.

The German Jews though, despite having suffered social and economic persecution from the very beginning of the Nazi regime, came to very little harm prior to the decision made at Wannsee. That is why most of them didn't flee when they had the opportunity to do so, they thought that the trouble would pass, and apart from living in ever cramped conditions, they were still relatively free to move around and assist each other. The Germans, or rather Nazis had never intended to kill these people, they had hoped to get rid of them by legitimate means, and when those options became closed to them, and the Jews, unable to work and therefore pay for food, began to suffer, it was only then discussed whether they should kill them. And, when that decision was made, it was understood that because these people were like them, in every way but faith, that it would be hard for the men assigned the task. Every effort was therefore put into killing them as 'cleanly' as possible, and various methods were tried and tested before Zyklon-B was decided as being the most 'humane' method.

It is, it seems, very easy to commit genocide when the people that you are killing look different, and when there is a barrier of language between perpetrator and victim, so much harder when the only invisible differences exist.

What is interesting about the current situation with the Muslims and the Jihadists, is that most often, especially if one looks at the ethnic cleansing that took place in the Balkans in the early to mid 1990s, was that the majority of those 'Muslims' were brought in from elsewhere, many had served in Afghanistan for example. And, similarly, the other side used mercenaries too. The killing was not really driven by internal rivalries, so much as it was propelled by outsiders paid to create mayhem that appeared to be racially motivated.


reply posted on 18-7-2012 @ 04:12 PM by Biliverdin
reply to post by NeoVain



I covered this in the other thread that got closed down, but will happily reiterate. Jean Luc Pressac is the only qualified person to have studied the gas chambers extensively. The gas chambers themselves were levelled to the ground as the Allies approached, and all that remains of them are fragments of rubble. The gas chambers as they are now at Auschwitz are reconstructions.

Jean Luc Pressac's study can be read here...

www.holocaust-history.org...


reply posted on 18-7-2012 @ 04:15 PM by Blaine91555
reply to post by Biliverdin



Thanks and interesting reply. You seem to be very studied in history and I look forward to seeing any threads you post.

As I go through the news every day it never fails to amaze me as I read about a bomb being set by one Muslim to kill other Muslims over differences in how they view their religion. Or I should say sickens me.

Over the last couple of years I've gotten to know some of the refugees from the Sudan who were brought here by CCS to Anchorage. They are such wonderful friendly people I have trouble equating them with what they are fleeing from. Clearly the Muslim people are wonderful folks and it is a real mystery to me how they spawn the radicals in their culture. There is in my opinion a lot in common with how the Nazi's were able to do as they did in plain sight and not be stopped by the Germans themselves.

I'm not sure I understand the psychology behind people who turn a blind eye towards or defend the indefensible based on shared culture. We are very strange animals who's actions often make little sense.

I sometimes wonder if there is a genetic trigger that creates a group of irrational haters in our species as a form of population control.
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