Did the Holocaust Really Happen?

Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin

Originally posted by EvanB
Did 9/11 happen? After all, all we have are the bought and paid for media propaganda.. A few videos and pics that could easily be faked etc..

You get the point?

Luckily, there's more than just "a few videos" in this case.

You get the point?

(BTW, better to read the opening post beofre posting)

Actually you are right

I apologize to the OP for jumping the gun and not reading before posting.

A very good and interesting read.

Many thanks

reply to post by EvanB


A little bit of my faith is restored! I hope others and especially those Mods who should set a high standard and example to ATS (I quoted them on the previous page), follow your lead.

It's never easy admitting you got something wrong, but you feel a damn sight better after you acknowledge it. Very gutsy of you!

Holocaust denial is basically part of the contemporary resurgence of fascism. Part of the attempt to depict fascism as something supposedly awesome, is to deny that its' adherents committed the crimes that they did.

You're generally not going to get these sorts of claims made by anyone outside of white supremacists, or similar people.

reply to post by jrmcleod


Then maybe European settlers didn't wipe out hundreds of thousands of indians, or slavery in america never happened. I've seen documenteries on these subjects, but they were probably just isolated incidens and were just blown way out of perportion to what really happened.

It discusts me when people talk like this, to tell someone who had an ancestor who died in such a horrific way that they are lying and that your grandfather probably just walked out in the woods and got lost nobody killed him ( along with 6 million others), that whole thing is just a farce.

by the way im not a jew, i just like facts.

From Wikipedia:-

In 1945, General Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Allied Commander, anticipated that someday an attempt would be made to recharacterize the Nazi crimes as propaganda and took steps against it:

The same day[28] I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I have never been able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain however, that I have never at any time experienced an equal sense of shock.

I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that "the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda". Some members of the visiting party were unable to go through with the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to Patton's headquarters that evening I sent communications to both Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and the British publics in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt.

Of course it did, my great-grandfather nearly died in Auschwitz, a full six weeks after the camp was liberated he was still wearing the cast he got breaking his leg falling from the guard tower. I think we should put a statue of the man who killed Hitler and stopped the madness in front of every holocaust museum.

If anything this thread has been a real eye opener for me..... From the misinformed to the knee jerk reactions, we got it all recorded in this one thread! This is definitive proof that the quality of ATS has been swirling down the toilet bowl as of late, if this whole thread was a test the majority of members failed it miserably!

Judge Rutherford wrote a letter to Hitler discussing the Watchtowers support for the Nazi regime.Rutherford was antisemitic were Russel was a zionist.Rutherford set up the persecution complex were witnesses believe they are doing right by god if they are being persecuted.So they died for their faith in the concentration camps and held up as exemplary witnesses.The magazines at the time did not promote anti-German propaganda and was stated in that letter to Hitler.Rutherford wasnt a nice guy.The letter didnt appease Hitler like it was intended so Witnesses were put in the camps as well.Then Rutherford started to antagonize Hitler through the magazines picturing the plight of the witnesses in the camps.In 1999 applied for the holocaust victim fund and ones that had no heir were would that money go.They said they would be put it to educate people about the holocaust.Hence the DVD they have about it the purple triangle.

reply to post by celticdog


Actually history records the truth of the facts, and you have stated nothing but lies.

Here is one example. A radio broadcast of Judge Rutherford exposing Hitler and the Catholic Church:

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Originally posted by petrus4
From Wikipedia:-

In 1945, General Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Allied Commander, anticipated that someday an attempt would be made to recharacterize the Nazi crimes as propaganda and took steps against it:

The same day[28] I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I have never been able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain however, that I have never at any time experienced an equal sense of shock.

I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that "the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda". Some members of the visiting party were unable to go through with the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to Patton's headquarters that evening I sent communications to both Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and the British publics in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt.

edit on 19-7-2012 by petrus4 because: (no reason given)

Oh, how I wish to see a man like Eisenhower take over the reigns in the GOP. Maybe some veteran of the Gulf-Wars?

The OP wasn't saying here was no Holocaust though. He nèver denied that, but then went on an evangelizing romp about the "heroic JW's that irked me to no-end.

reply to post by Crakeur


Yes. Agreed. Thank you. Im sure Im not the only family member of victims here...and still I was asked "Were you there?".

Highly insensitive.

reply to post by BrutalDictator


Your screen name :BRUTALDICTATOR" is appropriate and fits your response...so Im dismissing it.

What are you like 14 yrs old? Another month until schools back in....

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by goou111

 

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Forums used to be about reading and responding to posts...... Not about reading a title, then skipping past the whole topic and just responding out of emotion to the title..... Am I in the twilight zone? Dimension slip?

It's because it is a sensetive subject to some people. Anytime people get brutally massacred or have relatives who were emotions will run high, and the jewish genocide in WWII was not all that long ago, there are people still living who were there, and their children are still alive. So yeah, it can be an emotional subject.

Originally posted by mysterioustranger
reply to post by Crakeur

 

Yes. Agreed. Thank you. Im sure Im not the only family member of victims here...and still I was asked "Were you there?".

Highly insensitive.

No, You are not the only one. My family lost their boys, they got massacred at The "Grebbeberg" The Netherlands last, desperate stand. Front-loading howitsers contra 88mm flak..... The survivors, 2of them, both jewish, died in Bergen-Belsen.

So, yes, WW2 and the Nazi's are part of my family-history in no uncertain terms. And nó, i do not take lightly ANYONE that takes that part of history to support some agenda of some sect.

proooobably the most ignorant OP I have ever read

It happened alright. Big style. The Germans and many other in Eastern Europe turned on the Jews, they hated them as far as I can see, Jews were Socialism (literally) in many European countries, they were THE threat to capitalism, they had taken over Russia and were pushing for radical change in many other countries.

Big business, money, wanted them dead.

Of everyone who replies here, it is amazing how violent and ignorant the lot of you are ...

Is it wrong to question the "holocust"? No, it isn't ... it's perfectly normal. It's abnormal to believe in it ... are YOU, yes YOU capable of committing such atrocities? Well, thinking about American soldiers in Vietnam, shooting inocent people in the head for fun ... murdering infants, using depleted uranium so it will infect generations to come ... yeah, maybe the American people CAN commit such atrocities.

I know I can't

I need to be convinced it occurred ... you have survivors? Well, do you want me to quote "Jack Sparrow" ? (Left no survivors, heh? I wonder where all the rumors came from then). It's normal to doubt, believing in something blindly without questioning it ... be it the Holocust or something else, is being a moron.

Only Germans are bad, capable of such crimes? isn't that being a racist moron?

Hitler did it all by himself, he had no help pulling the trigger?

You have foto footage? Isn't it possible that the bodies in the footage, are victims of the war ... what did the germans do with the people who died under US/British Air Raids? I'm pretty sure they collected the bodies and put them in mass graves.

It's not possible that it was Typhus, just like the Germans said it was?

You're just ignoring all the evidence provided by the opposition, in favor of your own position ... and that isn't evidence of you being right.

We have pictures of American soldiers piling up bodies at Abu Grahib, is that accepted as Americans were systematically murdering Iraqis?

No, why not ... is it somehow different, if the picture displays Americans doing it? I mean, we have more than a million Iraqis dead, children born deformed ...

So, in your eyes ... pictures and evidence, only means something if it depicst someone other than an American ... preferrably a German. And the victim, is only a victim if it depicts a Jew.

I'm not denying the Holocust here ... I'm just showing, how utterly ignorant your position is ... when you bitchsloap holocust deniers. Denying it, is perfectly normal ... because the people who deny it ... cannot possibly think of themselves ever doing it ... they are people with a conscience, and who consider the idea of such atrocities being performed rediculous.

But you don't ... you think it's a perfectly normal ideology to think the holocust actually occurred ... and you aren't willing to explore any other idea. And the only explanation to that, is that such ideology is normal to you ... in other words ... You are a person who CAN commit such atrocities because you can only see in others, what is inside yourself.

And the fact, that people like you ... who seriously believe in the holucust exist ... are the only living proof ... that the holocust probably did happen. The only true proof of it ... is YOU. Yes, YOU. YOU are the MONSTER that can commit such atrocities ... in fact, YOU ARE the monster that IS committing such atrocities around the world. We don't need to go back to WWII, to investigate wether it occurred or not ... because the evidence of human atrocities is right besides us ... it's in Iraq. Lying in torn up vehicles, from the use of firebombs. It's evident in the birth of deformed children in Iraq. It's evident in Vietnam, from the birth of deformed children, from the use of Agent orange.

Yes, YOU are the LIVING PROOF ... that such monsters exist.

If it wasn't for people like you, I would seriously never believe any human being could commit any such atrocities. I would shake my head, and look at myself inside and ask myself if I was able to do anything of such horrendous nature ... and the answer would be no. It would take more than tales, pictures, or hollywood movies to convince me that a human being could do such things.

But I know they can, because every day I watch the TV news and I see news outlets of men killing women and children in Afghanistan. They just call in the Artillery to do it ... because they think it's suspicious that a poor family be walking with a donkey in the desert. So such being use depleted uranium shells, that leave even their own soldier sick and dying, and children are born so deformed one can gets neusea at the sight of it. And every day, I hear new speculations and new hope from everywhere that perhaps today the US can nuke Iran, and kill even millions more. Maybe they can even include China too, and Russia ... and murder even more millions in a nuclear war ... after all, there are too many people in this world ... and the US government, and it's allies ... need LEBENSRAUM.

Is there any doubt, in anyones mind ... that there are monsters capable of commiting the Holocust?

For a site that tries to instill critical thinking in its users, what a sad display. I didn't even make it past the first page where it's more than obvious that people read titles, freak out and start posting. Maybe the title should be changed to "Does reading ever happen?"

Many millions did die in the camps! Slave labor Ghetos were a fact! Jews were targeted for being Jewish!

Final Plan or not the Nazis trucked them in by the thousands to be slaughtered!