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Syrian defense minister killed in suicide blast

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posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by FX44rice

Originally posted by R6A6W6

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
that's a pretty impressive strike.. hitting the heart of the military planning rooms..
while it will be labeled a rebels hit, i doubt it was done by real revolutionary Syrians.


It sounds almost too precise to me and (just IMO) its sounding like a CIA plot.


I was wondering when some would finally reach this conclusion. My exact thoughts when I saw the Breaking News Headline on MSNBC.


And we have more unfounded "feelings" about the CIA running things...


How about someone trying to present some evidence for it, instead of just making an assumption because you're suspicious of everything?

I have no doubt that the US and UK are involved somewhere, every country is involved in other countries in numerous ways. But there is absolutely no chance in hell the CIA has managed to convince an entire population that they are being shelled by Assad's tanks if they're not. There is no way in hell the CIA have people all over Syria dressed as Syrian military attacking cities, towns and villages. There is absolutely no way in hell something like that can be "faked".

People need to grow up and accept that not everything on the planet is a CIA plot. Sometimes a dictator does go batsh!t crazy and starts to slaughter his own people. And sometimes those people do rise up on their own to fight back. And sometimes, just sometimes, the people win, without the help of the CIA.

Like I said, I fully accept that there will be American involvement. Just as I accept that there will be Chinese and Russian involvement too. Everyone has their own interests in the stability or instability of another nation, and when governments are controlled by corporations - as ours are - they are going to be looking for ways to profit.

But there is no doubt that Assad has been killing his own people - outside involvement or not, that has to be stopped. I just hope they manage to stop him in time, before he uses the disgusting weapons that other countries sold him!




posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:01 AM
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reply to post by detachedindividual
 


take you lies elsewhere,Your nation is a bigger mass murderer.



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:06 AM
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Once again, I did say (just IMO) and I will stick by that opinion. I am reading the story from ABC news.

In that article it says:



There was no immediate news of General Ikhtiyar's fate after the bombing. On May 23 last year, the European Union added his name to the list of Syrian political figures targeted by sanctions. Earlier in May, a reported attempt was made to poison General Ikhtiyar and other key regime figures.


Poison is another favoured method used by the CIA and Mossad.



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:09 AM
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Sicking!

Israhell's Channel 2 celebrates the death of the Syrian Ministers and calls the ones who did it "heroes".



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by detachedindividual
 


take you lies elsewhere,Your nation is a bigger mass murderer.



What an informative opinion you have. Can you elaborate on your views or are you simply going to defend Assad's regime with one-line attacks that actually mean nothing?

I have no doubt that the UK government is responsible for some pretty nasty stuff. But unlike others I am able to criticize my own government while criticizing others too!

I can say that the UK and US governments are responsible for some of the worst crimes, I can accept that our "agencies" are doing some things in our name (but mostly for their corporate buddies) that we would find sickening. But at the same time, I know that Assad is attacking his own people, and they are trying to defend themselves.

Just because I can see that a dictator is killing his own people does not mean that I defend my own government. The two stances are not symbiotic.

I distrust pretty much every government on the planet. I think they are all corrupt and violent. They all have their own interests and they all bow down to their bankster friends. But I can say that WHILE stating that Assad is worse, murdering his own people.

This is the problem I often find on ATS, people cannot see the bigger picture. They have to pick a side. They'll refuse any and all evidence if it means thinking beyond cheer leading for their team. We get the same when there is any conflict (Iran good - America and Israel bad. Gaddafi good - America and Britain bad. Assad good - America bad) and when it comes to politics in the USA too (Conservatives good - all others commies and hippies)

How about looking at the evidence, thinking for yourself, using probability and coming to your own conclusions, instead of immediately going with the "evil America strikes again" line without any evidence or even likelihood?

You know what, don't bother. I know that the "deny ignorance" mantra here is a nonsense when it comes to a lot of posters. A few of us can speak logically while the rest scream and shout about the simplistic and predictable.



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:17 AM
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I am not here to listen to your propaganda and bias which has rebutted again and again.Your nation is one of the biggest mass murderers of history and you have no right to lecture others.




But at the same time, I know that Assad is attacking his own people, and they are trying to defend themselves.


Ask real syrians about who is killing who... I suggest you join the community Syria will witness the defeat of Imperialism ,this community has large number of real syrians.Common syrians are saying that its terrorists killing people with mortars,ak-47 and milan missiles not govt.

www.facebook.com...

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posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by R6A6W6
reply to post by detachedindividual
 


Once again, I did say (just IMO) and I will stick by that opinion. I am reading the story from ABC news.

In that article it says:



There was no immediate news of General Ikhtiyar's fate after the bombing. On May 23 last year, the European Union added his name to the list of Syrian political figures targeted by sanctions. Earlier in May, a reported attempt was made to poison General Ikhtiyar and other key regime figures.


Poison is another favoured method used by the CIA and Mossad.


And the Russians too, or is that too close to showing that ALL governments have their own interests? We can't have the dear Russians being accused of anything now can we?

Which is more likely, a Syrian who saw an opportunity took it, or a CIA operative sneaked in while everyone was sleeping, just to try to poison someone they knew would probably be taken out by one of the many thousands of Syrian nationals who are currently targeting the regime?

Mossad also like to use British identities to assassinate people in hotel rooms. Does that immediately mean that every person ever killed in a hotel room has been killed by Mossad?

I'm not attacking the opinion, I'm attacking the methods through which such opinions are reached. There is no evidence for a lot of what people claim when it comes to CIA involvement anywhere. Not that there would be. But at the same time we have overwhelming evidence that Assad is murdering his own people.

Weighing up the evidence, I would have to logically conclude that the people of Syria are acting to defend themselves against an oppressor. CIA involvement or not, that is what all the evidence suggests.



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Sicking!

Israhell's Channel 2 celebrates the death of the Syrian Ministers and calls the ones who did it "heroes".


That is pretty sickening, I agree. Considering Israel is an occupying force calling the Palestinian resistance movement "terrorists" for daring to fight back.

But then we all know that Israel is probably the biggest hypocrite on the global stage.



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:24 AM
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update: one of the syrians I know claims it was a car/truck with a suicide bomber.



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:25 AM
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Show me a photo of Assad killing anyone and you will have the proof that you so desperately want. I might even star you for your effort. Links will not suffice because there are lies in every article.

P.S no photo-shops accepted



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:27 AM
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Very mature conclusions DI. Contrary to some on this thread reacting in accordance with the momentary fluctuations of their emotions, you seem to possess the prowess of a clear minded thought. Star for you my friend.



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:30 AM
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Isn't that convenient. Probably Al C I A Duhhh



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:33 AM
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aren't you that intelligence community analyst who was exposed spreading propaganda?? Yes you are that guy.


www.abovetopsecret.com...





Being an ex ICA (Intelligence Community analyst) I have to say that in cases of questionable core collections of data between the Clandestine Service Operations online, and Intelligence Community analysts, it is the responsibility of a Collection Management Officer (CMO) to manage the collection, evaluation and dissemination of NSA/DHS intelligence information . Managing the collection effort requires determining what US policymakers need to know and then communicating those requirements to an Operations Officer. To a CMO in the intel industry, a site like this works essentially like an electronic carnivorous flower trap. It attracts its victims by its promising and appetizing content, and once the fly is deep enough the trap closes.

Most here are, as I mentioned in earlier replies, harmless posters looking for some nice and wild theories just to kill some time of daily boredom. But there are some really dangerous individuals, exchanging encoded info via apparently harmless posts about aliens, the usual gov conspiracy theories etc. The perpetrators are anything from mentally unstable youngsters/hackers like Ryan Cleary (suffers from asbergers syndrome) to muslim fundamentalists, all using various forums as info change instead of the usual email/cell exchange.

This site is too valuable to be closed. Its vast membership serves a purpose to both NSA and DHS Clandestine Service as one of many great intel gathering sites on the world wide web.

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posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:34 AM
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These are the kind of things that lead to world wars.



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:35 AM
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If you search you tube for "Damascus bomb"you can see footage pupported to be of todays attack-I would embed,except YT crashes my PC at the moment(flash issue?).

They just showed one video on BBC news,filmed in the dark,with the bomb site in the distance-It looks like a massive building is completely ablaze.
I would be surprised if only 2 people lost their lives in such a huge blast.



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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If the whole building was ablaze then my syrian friend is right ,it was a truck /car bomb .He was of opinion that the terrorists fight in the suburb was a diversion to divert army and police.
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posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
He was a Orthodox Christian for that the rebels have lost the support even in twitter people are angry and so i am
For that, we can thank anti-saint Hillary, who gave us burning children at David Koresh's church at Waco, Texas (1993).
To me, that leadership displayed while her husband was ostensibly in office was her qualification with the Bilderberger types (along with her part played against Serbia in the Kosovo affair) to be appointed and confirmed as Secretary of State, this intense hatred of Christianity and Christians.



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by R6A6W6
 


These are the kind of things that lead to world wars.


I know that, unfortunately. By the way BBC now says Assad's brother in law killed as well.



Syria's defence minister and his deputy, President Assad's brother-in-law, have died in a suspected suicide bombing at security headquarters in Damascus, state TV says.


So this is quite a personal attack on Assad now. I hate using the words world war, but when you look at how things are headed in a logical manner it does all kinda seem planned IMO.



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 08:01 AM
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new reports are saying a bomb was planted and then detonated.

you are right about the suicide attack.

but what is emerging is the possibility of significant infiltration of the Presidential cabinet and its an inside job.



posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 08:03 AM
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It is an inside job.... one of his personal bodyguards apparently had a bomb strapped to him



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