It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Why not? Shouldn't you trust your parents? You would think there would be a good reason.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by jhill76
No man on this Earth can save anyone. Others can only point in the right direction.
That's a good answer, jhill76, but who gets to decide what the "right direction" is? Who makes that call for you?
Hate to quote the whole thing but Perfectly said! I wont have to say another word. You just put everything I could have ever said to make a point. Especially when beliefs are usually picked apart not for learning but for ridicule.
Someone else can save another. You just are not open minded enough to see how.
Now, how dare you tell me not to respond to certain threads, I did not know you were our official censor.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by AQuestion
Now, how dare you tell me not to respond to certain threads, I did not know you were our official censor.
That was not my meaning, that is aimed at those trolls who come in there with their vast knowledge of Demonic activity and disguises who inform us in every other thread there are no Aliens, they are all Demons, or Fallen Angels, because intelligent life only exists on Earth alone. I remember that thread you were in, and if I was one who insulted you, please, accept my sincere apology. I just get tired of the labels and of those who think Jesus talks to them, or professes to have been there when something happened 2000 years ago. I know what an Alien is, and I know what an Inferior is. And no, they are not the same thing. And as for Inferiors, every human being has several attached to them, whether they believe it or not. These things follow religious people around like flies follow honey. Open up, and they they are. Be always vigilant in these matters.
I think you are blowing up what I said into something else altogether, saying I am "wishing hell" on you.
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by jmdewey60
Dear jmdewey60,
James and Jude would say otherwise so to me it looks like you are shirking your responsibility. We have a duty to save people and must work at it tirelessly. You will probably discover the truth to that too late, when you are in hell.
Jesus saves, not me and not you. We were given the great commission. I do my job and let Jesus do his and shame on you for wishing hell on anyone, judge not lest you be judged.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by adjensen
Well, I have read enough about to know they did have a lot to do with the authorship. Romans wrote it, made it up, and sooner or later this will all come out.
And on the same vein, when I see someone posting something not true, of of a mythical source, or other mistakes, I will always correct them.
Originally posted by autowrench
I know what an Alien is, and I know what an Inferior is. And no, they are not the same thing. And as for Inferiors, every human being has several attached to them, whether they believe it or not. These things follow religious people around like flies follow honey. Open up, and they they are. Be always vigilant in these matters.
I think you are blowing up what I said into something else altogether, saying I am "wishing hell" on you. So, according to you, admonishment is not any of your concern and you are well within your rights to countenance sin in your brothers? I would be concerned with your own fate if you present Christ in your church and allow sin in it, thinking it is none of your concern. You are in serious danger and should remove yourself immediately from the position for the sake of not only your own soul but the souls of all of those in the congregation.
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by autowrench
I am an apologist, not an evangelist. When people spout nonsense (like claiming that the Piso family wrote the Bible, lol,) I will refute it, but as to what you believe...
I don't care. That bugs some people, but I truly don't. What you believe or don't is between you and God, it's really none of my affair. I know that there are those who point out that Christians are charged with spreading the good news, but I suppose that I do that, in my own way, and St. Paul points out in Romans 12:6 that we all have different gifts, and mine is apparently not caring about converting people, but correcting misstatements of the truth.
You are probably thinking of 1 Timothy 1:15, where literally it says "the first", which people only interpret to mean, worst. It could just as easily mean that he was the first to be saved. I think people take it to mean something being influenced by the fictional version in Acts of Paul being at the stoning of Stephan.
Do you not know the words of Paul, he said he was the greatest sinner of all. Do you believe he lied or would you not have allowed him in your church because he was a sinner?
Are you in the habit of pronouncing what was formerly considered sin to now be OK?
. . . using cuss words is not sin . . .
Which is what hope, exactly? That they can go to heaven while in an unconverted sinful state? That would be a false hope that would be better cast aside, I think. Maybe you are concerned with numbers rather than actual results, which will be determined on the Day of Judgment, or is that something else you have cast to the wayside?
. . . and you drive people away from the hope they are to have.
it may be important to note that this was not "biblical". they were corrupt. that doesn't mean that all christians follow this awful line of thinking.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
And btw MILLIONS of Catholic and Protestant babies are baptized yearly without first being believers. When I chose to be baptized in 2008 my mother tried to talk me out of it saying I was baptized as a baby.
And, do you know why they are baptized at birth, or as shortly afterward as possible?
Because the RCC (and also the CofE) taught this horrendous dogma that unless a baby was baptized before they died, they would go to purgatory forever...or worse, to hell. So the rush to get them baptized. I wrote an entire novel around this precept.... They believed in the "Elect" and the "Damned", and many, many families paid "muy dinero" to have those priests and their successors pray daily for years and years and years......
people who had lost babies before baptism were terrified that their precious offspring were excluded from heaven forever. They often paid priests to "pray" on behalf of the deceased infant. One could purchase prayer 'in perpetuity' for enough money. They would agree to "pray every day to the saints for your baby to be admitted to heaven" if.....If the parishioner had enough money to buy same.
It was a scam.
edit on 18-7-2012 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)
Edit to repeat the point. For effect.
edit on 18-7-2012 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)
it may be important to note that this was not "biblical". they were corrupt. that doesn't mean that all christians follow this awful line of thinking.
If you had read his whole post, he also said that baptism has nothing to do with salvation.
You're actually more right than you realize.