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Originally posted by article
reply to post by autowrench
You do realise, no one will answer you.
Christians, or anyone else, for that matter, dont like to be bated like a rat.
Scummy thing to do, there, buddy. So much for the respect of your fellow man.
So far, the only ones Ive seen, save 1 or 2, that have responded here, are those like you, that bait and pounce on anything "God" or religion.
Honestly, I hope this thread rots with no real responces. This is just one more thread to show just where the ignorance truely lies.
Have fun with it.
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by autowrench
..."What I want to ask is, how many of the ATS membership have you been able to "Save?" ...
That is a trick question. It is impossible to baptize someone over the Internet and baptism is necessary to be saved.
Originally posted by autowrench
Nice hateful answers. I love you all. But seriously, have you converted anyone from ATS, or have you all failed in this endeavour? It is a simple question, if one of you has had success, please, let me know.
And those links in my sig are to make you think, and it did make you think, you just took it to a dark place. Try reading them before you are so quick to judge.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by ezekielken
As a recent de-convert I would first have to ask to you define a Christian.
Well, I used to think they were all the same, but since my time in here, I can see that is a wrong assumption. A true Christian? One who walks and acts like Christ did. Christ never started a religion, in fact, from what I read, he was correcting the priests as a small boy. A true Christian would never show anger, or project hate, or fear to anyone, and would never damn another Soul to their imagined place of punishment. A true Christian would not call another religious faith Satan worship, or another person's God a Demon. A true Christian would study their religion back to it's origins, research their Gods and see who they are, and would read into other religions before just blindly labelling them as evil.
That is my take on it. Anyone else care to comment?
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by article
You clearly don't know autowrench, not his character, nor his intent, and for you to publicly denounce him and put words in his mouth is unfair, nasty, and against T&C.
There are plenty of people here who are here for the SOLE PURPOSE of "defending the faith", and carrying out their "duty" (as they see it, and have self-appointed themselves for) to "preach." They even admit they are here to persuade. Who are you trying to persuade? Just everyone to dis on autowrench? How is anything you've posted on this thread positive, uplifting, or promotional of peace and tolerance?
It is posts like yours -- attacks like yours -- that perpetuate the divisive problem that is embodied by "religion."
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by autowrench
Dear autowrench,
You know I could never understand people like you. Why you need to attempt to irritate believers for apparently no reason. I think I finally understand. You place the responsibility on others for your relationship with God. You believe a person has to save you rather than you being responsible. This is your big cop out. I am not responsible for you or anyone other than me. You wish to have it both ways, be a non-believer and if it turns out that NDEs and heaven and hell are real then you want to blame me and others for not "saving" you. LOL.
People "defending the faith" aren't preachers/evangelists. They are called "apologists". I do apologetics, I'm not too well trained in exegetical preaching and my gift isn't as an evangelist.
like I said earlier 2 left the site this year and 1 in particular was banned.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
like I said earlier 2 left the site this year and 1 in particular was banned.
Yes, I'm aware of who they are. You gave a couple of names, but there are more than just the members you mentioned.
There have been others banned for their zealous behavior, too, who wouldn't call themselves "preachers", but certainly were doing a lot of condemning and ridiculing.
the prophetic gifted folks.
No it's not. Baptism is what saved people do, not what people do to be saved.
Easier than what?
. . . but rather chose to jump on the judgmental bandwagon and "hell" scapegoat like so many others, because that's a lot easier, isn't it?
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
the prophetic gifted folks.
The "self-proclaimed" prophetic 'gifted folks.' And I've known you to call new age thinkers "fringe loonies." But I know you really dig labeling.
edit on 18-7-2012 by wildtimes because: changed "did" to "dig". I meant "dig".
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
No it's not. Baptism is what saved people do, not what people do to be saved.
That is not what the Bible says.
The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who does not believe will be condemned.
Mark 16:16
Seems to be belief that is the qualifier above.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Seems to be belief that is the qualifier above.
No, there is nothing to support that conclusion since it is obvious no one would get baptized if they did not first believe.
Even if they did anyway (got baptized without believing) the baptism would be nullified with God since it would have been a sham.
So the proper conclusion would be that you believe, get baptized, are saved (like the Bible says).
You seem to be an apologist not for Christianity, but some form of pop-culture religion where you don't have to do anything in particular to be saved.edit on 18-7-2012 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)