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Originally posted by autowrench
Nice hateful answers. I love you all. But seriously, have you converted anyone from ATS, or have you all failed in this endeavour? It is a simple question, if one of you has had success, please, let me know.
And those links in my sig are to make you think, and it did make you think, you just took it to a dark place. Try reading them before you are so quick to judge.
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by autowrench
Dear autowrench,
You know I could never understand people like you. Why you need to attempt to irritate believers for apparently no reason. I think I finally understand. You place the responsibility on others for your relationship with God. You believe a person has to save you rather than you being responsible. This is your big cop out. I am not responsible for you or anyone other than me. You wish to have it both ways, be a non-believer and if it turns out that NDEs and heaven and hell are real then you want to blame me and others for not "saving" you. LOL. It doesn't work that way, you are responsible for you, believe or don't; but, don't try and hold others guilty for your choices.
I have to tell you that one of the people that worked for our church said I was the harshest Pastor they had ever met when it came to counseling. My answers were always the same, you know the choice, make it and stop lying to yourself about what it means. That is how I act with believers. Stop whining, there are people who believe in God and you wont make that go away. Ignore us. You start a thread to teach us that we should not try and "convert" others while trying to convert others. Convert whoever is foolish enough, they never really understood in the first place if they thought they "saved" others.
I think you have a problem. I am thinking that you know enough bible to know what time it is, don't you? Yeah, oh well. I will make it easy for you, when they ask you to take a mark, will you? You can try and convince yourself that it is the "illuminati" trying to orchestrate the bible; but, will you take the mark? Will you willingly be cattle to give yourself some extra days? I look forward to your next thread. Peace.
Originally posted by autowrench
..."What I want to ask is, how many of the ATS membership have you been able to "Save?" ...
One of things they forgot is that we do not "save" anyone, that is between you and god . . .
And isn't the sabbath from sundown friday to sundown saturday. If the lord came to uphold the law, are we not supposed to observe the sabbath. work six ann rest on the seventh?
Originally posted by autowrench
I was asked this by a friend who is a member, and thought it a good question to ask of the devout membership for an answer. Here goes:
As an Internet Preacher, we are aware your mission is to gain converts, that much is a given. What I want to ask is, how many of the ATS membership have you been able to "Save?" How many have recanted their ways and old religions, and fully embraced Christianity because of you?
Please feel free to crow here.
i don't know that i have converted anyone to christianity, but then again i haven't really tried.
Originally posted by autowrench
Nice hateful answers. I love you all. But seriously, have you converted anyone from ATS, or have you all failed in this endeavour? It is a simple question, if one of you has had success, please, let me know.
And those links in my sig are to make you think, and it did make you think, you just took it to a dark place. Try reading them before you are so quick to judge.
As a recent de-convert I would first have to ask to you define a Christian.
I love your final line, "feel free to crow". Your arrogance and misunderstanding of the bible and what we are supposed to do is pretty common. I will assume you learned it from bad christians who taught the same foolishness, the ones who think they save people.
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by autowrench
..."What I want to ask is, how many of the ATS membership have you been able to "Save?" ...
That is a trick question. It is impossible to baptize someone over the Internet and baptism is necessary to be saved.
reply to post by autowrench
OK, that is a beginning. So baptism is a needed element to become a Christian, I understand that. In Wicca we too have certain rituals that "make" you a Wiccan. I was baptised once, but felt nothing, in fact, never felt anything from church except fear and self loathing. Especially when I really got into church politics and secrets.
What I want to ask is, how many of the ATS membership have you been able to "Save?" How many have recanted their ways and old religions, and fully embraced Christianity because of you?
i REALLY like what you have stated here. i may print it off and keep it around actually.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by ezekielken
As a recent de-convert I would first have to ask to you define a Christian.
Well, I used to think they were all the same, but since my time in here, I can see that is a wrong assumption. A true Christian? One who walks and acts like Christ did. Christ never started a religion, in fact, from what I read, he was correcting the priests as a small boy. A true Christian would never show anger, or project hate, or fear to anyone, and would never damn another Soul to their imagined place of punishment. A true Christian would not call another religious faith Satan worship, or another person's God a Demon. A true Christian would study their religion back to it's origins, research their Gods and see who they are, and would read into other religions before just blindly labelling them as evil.
That is my take on it. Anyone else care to comment?
What I dont get, there is all this hatred here over Christians. I mean, damn, dont Christians have a right to say their peace too? I mean, doesnt everyone here have an opinion of what came where, how when and why? I mean, why is it only an issue if a Christian speaks up and claims that something is from God?
I hear people bickering, like this poor fella that started this thread (I'm not relgious, but you made me loose all respect for ANY and ALL posts you will now forever make - simply how youve teated people in general, as this thread proves) but I honestly dont see all this hubbub that Christians are supposed to be bashing people with in here. I see comments about Christianity, but that almost always comes after someone points the finger or questions a Christian in this same way.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by ezekielken
As a recent de-convert I would first have to ask to you define a Christian.
Well, I used to think they were all the same, but since my time in here, I can see that is a wrong assumption. A true Christian? One who walks and acts like Christ did. Christ never started a religion, in fact, from what I read, he was correcting the priests as a small boy. A true Christian would never show anger, or project hate, or fear to anyone, and would never damn another Soul to their imagined place of punishment. A true Christian would not call another religious faith Satan worship, or another person's God a Demon. A true Christian would study their religion back to it's origins, research their Gods and see who they are, and would read into other religions before just blindly labelling them as evil.
That is my take on it. Anyone else care to comment?
Originally posted by WhisperingWinds
reply to post by article
What I dont get, there is all this hatred here over Christians. I mean, damn, dont Christians have a right to say their peace too? I mean, doesnt everyone here have an opinion of what came where, how when and why? I mean, why is it only an issue if a Christian speaks up and claims that something is from God?
I hear people bickering, like this poor fella that started this thread (I'm not relgious, but you made me loose all respect for ANY and ALL posts you will now forever make - simply how youve teated people in general, as this thread proves) but I honestly dont see all this hubbub that Christians are supposed to be bashing people with in here. I see comments about Christianity, but that almost always comes after someone points the finger or questions a Christian in this same way.
Thank you for your words. they reflect exactly how I feel.
There are some that seem to say Christians are constantly bashing,and I personally don't see it, yet these are the members that start threads such as this, and wonder why some Christians may take offense.
Sad really, but at times shows true colors of motivation and intent, and perhaps who is the guilty party of "bashing".
Oh that's real helpful. Seriously? Make claims of a duty to save people tirelessly, then turn around and say even your fellow Christian is going to hell? And no sign of distress either... Regardless, you didn't even try to "save" anyone yourself, but rather chose to jump on the judgmental bandwagon and "hell" scapegoat like so many others, because that's a lot easier, isn't it?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by AQuestion
One of things they forgot is that we do not "save" anyone, that is between you and god . . .
James and Jude would say otherwise so to me it looks like you are shirking your responsibility.
We have a duty to save people and must work at it tirelessly.
You will probably discover the truth to that too late, when you are in hell.