reply to post by flyswatter
I would be genuinely interested in seeing how the arguments about the capital letter birth certificates, 14th amendment citizens, and legality
of Obama as president (as it relates to those matters) would all be interpreted and received by a lawyer.
Veritas and I are trying to understand why Barry refuses to validate his status as a natural born Citizen.
It is obvious that he has no intent to do this, so any curious person would want to know why.
These are hypothetical arguments that become more valid the more we research the issue.
My previous comment was based on a string of about 5 comments that I made yesterday discussing the original intent of the founding fathers when they
wrote the actual Constitution.
Veritas and I have established that at least 2 distinct classes of citizen exist in the US with each having different rights.
Citizens with unalienable rights granted by God.
And citizens with inalienable rights granted by law.
14th Amendment citizens have inalienable rights granted by law.
This is at the heart of Veritas' argument.
And when the founding fathers wrote the Constitution a natural born Citizen was a State Citizen who could only be white.
This is not a pleasant historical truth, but it is the historical truth.
Sometimes history offends our modern sensibilities but that doesn't make it any more or any less true.
This idea is a thread within itself however, thus Veritas' thread discussing this very same issue.
The more I get into the idea; the more I realize exactly how much information exists.
But let me give you this teaser:
Let's say that you are charged under statute.
Let's take a speeding ticket.
Your court papers have a name that is written in all caps.
This is also on your drivers license.
Your name is written in all caps because you have assumed the contracted obligation of the artificial person recognized by your same birth name, but
it is written in all caps.
Your driver's license is a contract.
However the real you, as in the natural person John Doe, is not the person on the contract.
You have assumed the identity of the corporation JOHN DOE.
The word assume is very important.
This is the legal definition of assume.
link to source
to take over the liability for a debt on a promissory note, which is often done by the buyer of real property which has a secured debt upon it.
The debt that you are taking over is the debt that you are pledged to, through your account with the social security administration, from the time
that you are born.
This is why social security cards are issued at birth.
The projected value of this debt is leveraged on the open market through the sale of treasury securities.
They are auctioned off and the monies collected go to fund the government and pay interest to those who buy these securities.
Since you seem to doubt this, let's look at the US Government Handbook Style Manual issued by the US Government printing office.
This is the official word on the correct use of syntax, grammar, and capitalization when filing government documents.
This includes court cases.
This is a quote from a Pdf that I have already linked.
I will also provide a link to the newest 2008 edition handbook.
link to source
The United States Government Printing Office in their "Style Manual," March 1984
edition (the most recent edition published as of March 2000), provides comprehensive
grammar, style and usage for all government publications, including court and legal
Chapter 3, "Capitalization," at § 3.2, prescribes rules for proper names:
"Proper names are capitalized. [Examples given are] Rome, Brussels, John Macadam,
Macadam family, Italy, Anglo-Saxon."
At Chapter 17, "Courtwork, the rules of capitalization," as mentioned in Chapter 3, are
"17.1. Courtwork differs in style from other work only as set forth in this section;
otherwise the style prescribed in the preceding sections will be followed."
(The courtroom section is now Chapter 20)
According to the governments own handbook, all court proceedings are to be written using proper syntax.
This means that a defendant's name is written as John Doe.
Not JOHN DOE.
Either lawyers, judges and court clerks are breaking their own rules by doing all caps.
(look at your drivers license... a government document)
Or some other mechanism is at work.
I will let you ruminate on this for a minute.
I told you that this is much more involved than... just show me the law.
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