Originally posted by Jaellma
Obama is their son so there is nothing you folks can do about it.

That's a fact. If God Himself showed up with a birth certificate showing Obama was born in ANY other country than the U.S. there would still be nothing anyone could do about it. Nobody can touch him. They definitely wouldn't have enough testicular tissue to begin the process of impeachment either. He holds the best card in the PC Deck IMO.

Arpaio is officially North Korea in single human form.

He's fanatical and relentless. Yet nothing ever happens. Allhe does is declare things with no real action. If you have all these findings then stop talking about them and DO SOMETHING.
-This man is seriously destructive. The more he spouts about his findings without showing anything, the more the ignorant blindly believe him and divide the nation further.
He has nothing. He never had anything and he never will have anything. His agenda is not clearing the president. The president doesn't need to be cleared. Every birther case has been thrown out of court already. He is chasing a white whale to be sure, and anyone who finds him to be a hero is seriously deluded.

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I honestly can't even believe this is still an issue, but then again, the group purporting it is one of the most hardheaded groups seen in America over the past few decades.

I've used Photoshop, among other image & vector-based editors, since I was 12, and OCR-capable scanners for the past 5 years, on top of programming being one of the fields I'm in.
Any "anomaly" claimed to have been observed can easily be reproduced, with enough repeats, by anybody with the same OCR-capable scanner (meaning the same model, with the same software & firmware installed.)
It HAS to be the same, because any alteration to the software or firmware through an update can have either visible or hidden updates to the algorithm of the method, completely throwing off the result you get. This could either be an improvement or not, depending on a number of factors.

We're getting off the point though. The algorithms used in both OCR & even basic image editing software are so far above most, if not almost all, of the birthers' heads that it would give them nausea just trying to understand it.
The fact is, even with the thousands of hours spent coding & debugging, they're still far from perfect. They often throw up errors, show anomalies, missing pixels, weird moires, etc, which differ with each scan.
Whining about obvious errors generated by the scanning software is like complaining when Content Aware doesn't give you the same result every time you use it.
Not only does OCR-scanning to a .pdf cause problems, ripping that .pdf to any other form of container can also cause other issues, especially artifacts & blended moires.

tl;dr: Use the exact same settings on your own birth certificate, & watch you get the exact same problems.

Can't believe this has gone on this long. I guess that's what happens when people can't understand & grasp concepts.
It's like the world is flat for all of you all over again.

Oh I see now, People hate the cops, UNTIL it fits there agenda...OK, just wanted to make sure I understood things correctly.
Seriously people, you believe these guys why?
You are still under the false pretense that it actually matters who is POTUS.
This subject is pointless, as it will lead NOWHERE.
Dont like it? Then do something about it or shut it.
sigh, I wanna see Romney's birth cert. Im going to call it fake no matter what he shows, because I dont like him.

Originally posted by spinalremain
I believe you're partly correct in your view that birthers don't understand they're not looking at the BC to begin with. This is in fact true and easily seen in any birther thread.

And it also shows that the so called birther "experts" are actually not experts at all, as no real expert would call a document a forgery when they have never actually seen or handled it....

The courts have also proven that the experts are actually not "experts"!

Originally posted by ipsedixit
In fact, why doesn't the President order, as a matter of national security, the release of the ink on paper original document.

becase it is not a matter of national security at all,
the birthers would just claim it was a fake anyway,
and apparently you are not even aware that it is a microfilm, not a bit of paper....
and why should he do what no previous POTUS had to do, just because some people who hate him want it?

As has been shown, the whole birther argument is not about any bit of paper Obama produces.

This subject is getting old. You'll always be able to find someone who can interpret evidence the way they want to interpret it to disprove something. Evidence is not always real if applied outside of it's intended use. People don't always follow the exact wording of the law either and this includes government employees of the past. It wasn't a big deal to make sure things were perfect in paperwork years ago for normal people. How many people had a hastle to prove they were even born because someone messed up their recording of their birth. Mess ups by government officials in the past were common and easily corrected in one visit to your court house. Now we've made it into an act of god to fix simple things. Correct something and the backup files of the computer erase the change and you gotta do it again. Boy have we confused things in this world. Things used to be a lot simpler. I suppose they will hook computers up to the toilet paper dispensers in bathrooms someday and we will be stuck on the toilet calling for help with our cellphones.

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by Deetermined
Maybe you missed the part in the investigation where it shows that Hawaii still allows those who are foreign born to get a valid Hawaii birth certificate as long as someone can provide proof that one of the parents was a citizen and resided in Hawaii for at least a year prior to registering their child.

And you ignore the fact that such a birth certificate would NOT state Hawaii as the place of birth....

That's just it, depending on how Obama's mother or grandmother registered the birth would dictate the location of his birth on his birth certificate.

Since Obama has told America at some time or another that he was born at both Queen's Medical Center and/or Kapiolani' Medical Center, I have every reason to believe he was born at neither.

What we do know is that there are foreign birth shelters in the Pacific Islands that if a woman gives birth and registers the birth with an outlying DOH office, that the DOH could have done one of two things. Place "Honolulu" on the birth certificate because these islands are considered as such on birth certificates, or place the mother's resident city on the birth certificate if she was already a citizen and the birth father was a foreigner. And yes, Obama's grandparent's address at that time would have been in Honolulu and I'm pretty sure that's where she had been residing prior to giving birth.

It wouldn't be hard to expect that back in 1961, being pregnant at the age of 17/18, possibly unmarried and about to give birth to a mixed race baby, would be great reason to run off somewhere else to finish out your pregnancy and have your baby. The question is, where was she? The numbering of the birth certificate shows that she wasn't at either Queen's Medical Center or Kapiolani as most likely the birth was registered at an outlying office of the DOH.

I just find it highly suspicious too that Joe's investigators also realized that archived information given to them by the state was missing INS records for the week Obama was born. I haven't heard an update on that yet.

Originally posted by XeroOne
Funny, I don't remember anyone checking George Bush's birth certificate.

That's because Bush the junior and Bush the senior were both domestically-produced terrorists

Originally posted by trysts

...... but all those people who did care were soooo constantly called names by so many on the Internet and television, that they deserve a huge apology.

What the American people deserve is a grand jury, followed by a criminal trial that pulls heavily all the loose threads hanging around this gangster "government". Then the perps need to pay the price -- loss of life or liberty and their estates stripped of anything of value.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Or comments that show a particular agenda to make Joe's investigation seem like it's worthless. ]

Quite right. Crazy Joe and his Insane Clown Posse are doing a very good job of that themselves, and seem to need no external help.

Seriously though, apart from a bunch more innuendo, what have they presented that we haven't seen before?

He hasn't seen the original, just an internet download - making any analysis inherently worthless. All the Hawaii state officials who have seen the paper original, from both parties, declare it valid.

The rest of if is just some blather about secret codes that a 95 year old woman apparently told him. What was that noise?? Oh yeah, just the sound of a barrel being scraped.

Uncle Joe has nothing, and knows it. He's just a publicity whore who gets all hot and bothered at the thought of yet more press conferences. If he had anything that wasn't a joke, he could present it at a court.

******* "Zullo said investigators previously didn't know the meaning of codes but that the codes were explained by a 95-year-old former state worker who signed the president's birth certificate. Zullo said a news reporter who has helped out in the probe let investigators listen in on an interview he concluded of the former state worker" *******


I fully expect this 95 year old former state worker to be MURDERED. I expect that this worker will die of 'ahem, natural causes' within the week.
I'm just saying.... it always happens that way... once a witness is found or brought forth they usually fall victim to some sort of " PLAUSIBLE " demise. wait and see, you read it here....... and were thinking it yourself if the truth be known.

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