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BIG NEWS- Arpaio: Obama birth record 'definitely fraudulent'

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posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 11:09 PM

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Now wait a minute. Why am I even concerned about all these people trying to deflect and confuse from the findings of a professional investigation?

Probably because there was no professional investigation - as you have already been shown.

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 11:11 PM
That cheapskate George Soros is going to have to get off some money and have a quality COLB made for Barry Barack Obuma Soetoro . Even Trump couldn't sell that last one .But then Soros is unhappy with Obama because he didn't defeat our Constitution and make us Socialist and UN compliant . All three knuckle heads !

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 11:33 PM
reply to post by TrueAmerican

I accept the findings of Sheriff Arpaio's investigation, and Barry Soetoro Obama knows that his BC posted on the White House website is a fraud, and he knows his social security number is tied to someone named Harrison J. Bounell. But the thing is he knows that if you bring up the issue of the BC then the government propaganda machine called the media will play the race card, in order to belittle the claims and evidence presented. This not only causes the American public to unwittingly dismiss Sheriff Arpaio's investigation but this also gives more support for Obama by his supporters.

In my opinion, Obama was chosen by the elite puppet masters, so that anything done by Obama will not be questioned as much as would prior Presidents concerning their actions while in Office. Congress impeached Bill Clinton because he lied under Oath to Congress for having a sexual relationship with another woman, but they won't impeach Barack Obama because they know if they do, then they will be labeled racists by all of Obama's supporters and it may cause mass riots and protests for all the wrong reasons.

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 11:36 PM
Something has to happen, nothing will happen if it all ends up just being talked about.

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 11:40 PM
Yeah, a bunch of us on here determined that months ago. Ya know, those of us who know what we're talking about when it comes to Adobe software. Obama's people hired an amateur to do the work. Why? Because THEY are amateurs.

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 11:46 PM
A revisit to the story page at Yahoo in OP, and look:

Most Popular

Ariz. sheriff says Obama birth certificate is fake
Camouflaged Residence Discovered in California Park
Utah man’s confessional obituary owns up to life of pranks
Obama the attacker: ‘Hope and Change’ meets swift boat tactics
Chick-fil-A president slams gay marriage
George W. Bush: Being president was ‘awesome … but I have no desire for fame and power anymore’

Look at what is the most popular story. Yup Obama, you got a major problem. Produce the microfilm, and we'll all go away *poof.*

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 12:24 AM
reply to post by dayzee

Stop calling people Obots and come back down to reality.

You're not doing your fellow birthers a favor by trolling people that you disagree with.

I still think that birther behavior should be classified as a mental defect based on your actions and the actions of other birthers.

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 12:36 AM
reply to post by kyviecaldges

Really? Well.....if you believe it start impeaching him or march on something or stop talking about it.....check the role of a sheriff pal and tell me why he and his self-appointed 'posse' (really what century are we living in?) are investigating a federal issue? I would guess you don't even live in I said, I am neutral politically, I don't side with either party but all the card carrying republicans I know wish he would shut up already.....if you want to get the Democrats out of power then vote them out....this whole thing would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic....

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:09 AM
Many people are getting lost arguing about irrelevant aspects and completely overlooking the main problem here; U. S. Government has submitted a document to the public that is FRAUDULENT. That is what happened, why they did it can still be up to for debate.

Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt, even if he is naturally born and for whatever reason the paperwork at the time just wasn't filed properly or lost, that is no excuse for publishing an altered document.

It's not that complicated now people! Do you remember writing a check and drawing a line to the end after the amount so that someone couldn't go in and re-write your check for "one hundred dollars" and change it to "one hundred thousand dollars" just by adding a word at the end?

As I understand it, the secret codes on the document serve the same purpose. They coded what was filled out and what was blank to prevent someone from going in and filling out the blanks after the fact. The codes were secret so that if someone did alter the certificate they would have evidence after the fact. The person altering the certificate had no idea about the codes and that was by design.

Blanks were filled in on the certificate and it was altered. That is FRAUD. If you did it, you would go to jail.

The arguments about PDF layers and scanning intricacies have all been rendered irrelevant. Why keep talking about it? We have more concrete evidence now, thanks to Joe. Speaking of which, Joe's reputation is also irrelevant to this point. He did real police work and produced a result. His agenda or motivation doesn't counteract the criminal activity he has uncovered.

The rule of law dictates that an investigation should be completed and a CRIMINAL NEEDS TO BE PROSECUTED FOR FRAUD! Nothing else matters as much right now because nothing else may provable in court at this point.

Once that is done, one would think that during the course of a legitimate investigation that we would then start to uncover why someone would forge a birth certificate. That only comes during or after the fraud investigation. It may seem obvious why someone would, but that is ultimately up to the courts to decide.

From the article:

Wisch also said that "not only are Hawaii's vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud." Read more:

No argument here. The certificate is there, they altered it and now they were caught doing so.

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:16 AM

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Yeah, a bunch of us on here determined that months ago. Ya know, those of us who know what we're talking about when it comes to Adobe software. Obama's people hired an amateur to do the work. Why? Because THEY are amateurs.

When did you get the hold the BC and what did you use Adobe for and what did you do with it?

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:20 AM

Without even trying to debunk what this piece of trash Arpaio has as evidence this time, which I'm sure has already been debunked by now, do you people ever take into account the impossible physical logistics of Obama having been born in Kenya?

Let's just fantasize for a moment and say that somehow the airline allowed (which they don't) an extremely pregnant 18 year old Ann Dunham to board the massively expensive, multiple stop, super long flight from Hawaii to Kenya just so she could give birth to her child in some Kenyan village. Just to fly all the way back with her newborn child to register him at a hospital, notify the newspapers, and make damn sure everyone thought he was born in America since her son would be the next President of the United States 46 years in the future.

Let's say all of that transpired.

Then why on earth did the INS report that there were ZERO US CITIZENS that arrived by air to the United States from Kenya for the entire year up to June 30, 1962.

In addition, Barrack Obama Sr.'s last entry into the United States was in 1959!

Seriously people. I know this is a conspiracy site but for the love of baby Jesus, use your effing brains.

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:59 AM
People have known this kinda stuff for years - what difference does it make any more? Whats the next big thread gonna be? That voting doesn't matter, it's all rigged by TPTB? Shocker!!

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:59 AM

Originally posted by flashtrum

This is probably coming from someone who does not appreciate what the people before us fought hard for and won, which is our liberty and freedom. On top of that, many of us AMERICANS actually believe that the constitution is a sacred document and should be revered and upheld. Where you are from they probably rip up their constitution and re-draft it every few years. We proudly follow our constitution which is 222 years old and going strong, "Whilst" you allow a family to live in unimaginable wealth and refer to them as kings and queens as if royalty was actually a birthright. There couldn't be a more ridiculous notion on this Earth. To believe in royalty is to believe those people are somehow divinely above you. What a joke.

I might as well be talking to my dog though because I see your last thought was to play the race card. Good grief.

The royal family has nothing to do with politically leading my country and I don't remember saying I believe in it anyway. It might be wiser to get your dog to post on your behalf. Good grief.

And what a great way to turn something in to pointless semi-personal attack.Way to go for missing the point, re-read what I wrote, as it would appear your ego believes my post was anti-American and, typically on here, you have to believe it's all about you, I merely pointed out that this argument is pointless. All of the countries of the world (you know those land masses outside your borders) are screwed over by puppets backed by people who have more & want more than you, regardless. And yes, a vast majority of the 'Birthers' are racist - you don't need a pointy white hat anymore, just a keyboard and smart mouth.

The greatest enemy of ATS isn't ignorance, it's the illusion of knowledge.

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:13 AM

Originally posted by bkfd54
Why did he and his wife voluntarily give up their licenses to practice law????

It comes with a yearly fee.
Neither of them is practicing as a lawyer right now.
Why keep paying that fee?

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:24 AM
reply to post by habitforming

The layer thing has been debunked about a million times.

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:47 AM
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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:50 AM
Okay sorry if this has been mentioned before but, Why on earth would you utilize OCR technology on a document you were scanning purely to show as proof. I accept that the "Adobe Illustrator" genius guy has explained from his knowledge about how OCR technology works but that is not explaining WHY it was used.

For those of you who don't understand what OCR really is I will explain super quick.

Lets say we have very old paper documents that we want to put onto our DMS (document management server) - well we could possibly get some silly secretary to copy type it all out - which is incredibly laborious, OR we could scan the documents in using OCR (a.k.a - text recognition) and then simply run a spell check and proof the document - it's far quicker than the prior method.

Ok with that out of the way, it's clear to see that the reason for scanning using OCR technology is so that the document can be edited. Now why on earth would one need to employ OCR technology on a document that was allegedly perfect and 100% legit ? ... That is my boggle on the matter... to hell with layers and whatnots - plain fact is, OCR scans are done so that the document can be altered, otherwise you would simply do an image scan of the document and send it through as either a .TIF, .JPG or .PDF, all of which are basically ONE layered flattened image scans. Lets also not forget that any fool can flatten all layers into one, thereby merging all and making it impossible to professionally edit subsequently without huge amounts of time and effort at the pixel level.

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:50 AM

Originally posted by Deetermined
Kind of hard when he uses Executive Orders to hide all of his records

Oh dear - just where did you get that false statement from? Care to show us this "Executive Order" - you should also check if previous Presidents signed a similiar one!

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:59 AM
This "BIG NEWS" must have been a fabrication, because Matt Drudge has completely removed the story from the Drudge Report website. Or, maybe the Federal Government used Chicago-Style strong arm tactics and forced him to remove it?

posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 03:06 AM

Originally posted by flyswatter
Now, as far as exactly what they were paid for, you will find that much of that probably wont ever be available to you. Attorney client privilege still applies, even with someone of Obama's status.

Obama's private attorney was working pro bono....

Obama attorney in the California case of Keyes v Bowen (one of the three known cases where Obama was represented by private counsel), Fredric Woocher, said: “This suit, like all of the others that have been filed challenging Obama’s qualifications for the Presidency, is frivolous,” he said in an email to POLITICO, adding that he is, in fact, working pro bono. “There is absolutely no truth to the stories about the untold millions supposedly being paid to us,” he said.

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