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How long before we all suffocate!

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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 07:41 PM
I found this article on survival acres and thought some of you may find this interesting. I personally find it scary as hell, but knew it wouldnt be long before this came down the pipe!
Yesterday, I came across something this is very important. The ramifications of this are incredibly serious.

In this article, North American Forests: When the Colors of the Trees Change, massive amounts of North American forests are being wiped out by the bark beetle. Due to low winter temperatures, winter survival rates of larvae shot from just 20% to over 80%, causing a massive population explosion. More beetles means more trees attacked and killed.

By 2010, over 30 billion trees have been killed. Logging operations to combat the infestation has resulted in even more tree loss, including many healthy ones. In British Columbia alone, over 18.1 million hectares are considered contaminated by 2012. In the lower 48, hundreds of millions of tree are already dead and dying. Western forests are at risk of being virtually wiped out.

But it gets worse then this.

Trees produce oxygen and absorb carbon dioxide. This balance is now threatened:

Ahead of us we have the possible destruction of forests, vital in maintaining oxygen levels necessary for life, in the control of carbon dioxide, and in water cycle balances. Notably, the concentration of oxygen in the atmosphere has dropped from 35 to 21 percent from prehistoric times to now, and the carbon dioxide has increased in part by the human growth pollution in cities with high oxygen levels, which often comprises only 15 percent of total air. So at this rate it is obvious that in these cities we will render the “air” unbreathable. Diana Beresford-Kroeger, a botanist, says, “the abuse of forests and pollution of the oceans has caused them to produce only half the oxygen (they produced) 10,000 years ago.”** We must also consider that in the last 30 years this process has accelerated the deterioration or the collapse of almost all living systems.

This paragraph really stuck out, so I began to research the facts. Are cities really losing their oxygen?


Dangerously low levels of oxygen are now being reported in cities around the world. Increased carbon dioxide levels are displacing oxygen in the atmosphere.

We are losing three oxygen molecules in our atmosphere for each carbon dioxide molecule that is produced when we burn fossil fuels. Studies of ice cores and recent data from direct atmospheric sampling have shown that there has been a 30% increase in carbon dioxide since the beginning of the industrial age. Atmospheric Oxygen Levels Fall As Carbon Dioxide Rises

While some carbon dioxide is / was being absorbed by the oceans, carbon dioxide saturation is now occurring. Effectively the oceans are reaching their limits and becoming acidic on how much more carbon dioxide they can absorb. There is a lot of evidence readily available on this topic.

The burning of fossil fuels (all of them) is causing an oxygen loss:

The O2:C combustion ratio of a fossil-fuel depends on the hydrogen content. The ratio varies from about 1.2 for coal, 1.45 for liquid fuels, and 2.0 for natural gas. Taking these factors together, we are losing nearly three O2 molecules for each CO2 molecule that accumulates in the air.

The simple but frightening sum total is this:

Millions of hectares of trees (billions and billions of trees) which produce oxygen and absorb carbon dioxide are being lost (and then burning up, releasing their stored carbon into the atmosphere). Lest we forget, deforestation is accelerating all over the world, especially in heavily treed places like the Amazon, Papua New Guinea, Madagascar and tropical forests around the world.

Oceans are now saturated and acidic, having absorbed all the carbon dioxide they can (leaving the remaining in the atmosphere). There are also truly massive “dead zones” in the world’s oceans (still growing in size and number), depleted of life and oxygen. Burning fossil fuels destroys on average 3 oxygen molecules for each carbon dioxide molecule produced. All this is causing alarming oxygen level drops.

How alarming? Some cities are down to just 15%, far lower then safety standards dictate.

If the oxygen level in such an environment falls below 19.5% it is oxygen deficient, putting occupants of the confined space at risk of losing consciousness and death.

Closed spaces are key here, apparently, as lower oxygen levels then this are already being detected over our cities.

Oxygen DepletionStunned scientists warn world could run out of breathable air

Professor Ralph Keeling of Scripps Institute is worried. In fact, he’s very worried.

According to the data Keeling has meticulously collected since 1989 the world is running out of breathable air—and the rate that it’s losing oxygen is now on the verge of accelerating.

Monitoring oxygen levels around the world is Keeling’s job. He’s very good at his job. And the data confirms that Earth’s oxygen supply is dwindling.

Keeling created the famous ‘Keeling Curve,’ a graph that extrapolates the current trend of the oxygen depletion in the atmosphere.

I did the math: normal oxygen levels are pegged at 21%. If cities are experiencing a 15% level, that’s a 33% lower oxygen level then normal! And yet even lower oxygen levels are being predicted as the pace of fossil fuel burning, deforestation, ocean saturation and forest fires increase.

Gary Shaffer’s worst case scenario predicts that the oxygen levels in the oceans may drop by more than 20 per cent in the years ahead. [4]

The dead zones continue to expand and the areas of oxygen depletion are accelerating.

Warning sign two: forest charcoal — Forest fires provide a measurement of the ongoing depletion of Earth’s oxygen. Fires in an oxygen rich environment leave little or no carbon residue. The less oxygen available for combustion, the more charcoal remains as fire is unable to consume all the combustible material.

Over the eons, forest fires have produced greater and greater quantities of charcoal as less oxygen rich air causes fire to burn less efficiently. As the oxygen levels drop, more charcoal residue is produced. This is exactly what has been happening and the phenomenon is well documented.

Warning sign three: methane and rapid Earth atmospheric change — Experts such as Northwestern University’s Gregory Ryskin (creator of the methane mass extinction hypothesis) have painted a scenario that could account for mass extinctions from terrestrial oxygen depletion. While not a formal part of his hypothesis, the events Ryskin envisions would certainly lay the foundation for a rapid acceleration of oxygen depletion and the resulting mass death to follow—mass death on a planetary scale.

Atmospheric oxygen: from 30 to 20 to 5 percent?

Why cities? I’m no expert, but some things do come to mind: Excessive burning of carbon fuels (gasoline, diesel, natural gas, coal), concentrated human population (human islands), fewer trees, and conversion of natural vegetation and soils to concrete and asphalt (heat islands). And to make matters even worse, a recent study also shows that trees are absorbing less carbon dioxide then before: Trees absorbing less CO2 as world warms, study finds

The ability of forests to soak up man-made carbon dioxide is weakening, according to an analysis of two decades of data from more than 30 sites in the frozen north. The finding published today is crucial, because it means that more of the CO2 we release will end up affecting the climate in the atmosphere rather than being safely locked away in trees or soil.

The rise in CO2 levels in the atmosphere is accelerating. Between 1970 and 2000 the concentration rose by about 1.5 parts per million (ppm), but since 2000 the annual rise leapt to an average of 1.9ppm – 35% higher than expected. Part of the rise is due to increased CO2 production by China, but the team said weakening carbon sinks were also to blame.

We also know that warming of the planet is increasing the decomposition of decades-old carbon in our forest soils. In fact, there is a lot of related data regarding how carbon contribution to the atmosphere (natural variations) are being increased (such as limited carbon uptake by forests exposed to high levels of carbon dioxide, growth increase for 2 – 4 years and then drops off). The nutrient cycle is also negatively affected by higher carbon dioxide levels, especially in poorer soils.

It all adds up to more bad news.

We do know that in many cities around the world, smog will “hang” over cities for months at a time, until finally drifting away, but it is by no means “gone”. Guess where it goes? Over our forests, killing even more trees as Wits End points out.

Smog particulates are larger then oxygen molecules, so the rate of “exchange” of oxygen with higher concentration from other areas may be a bit faster then the dissipation of smog, but it’s still a closed system, which will eventually be the same everywhere.

This means that cities are not only a threat to humanity, but a threat to themselves. Their very structure and design as we know them today suggests that they are making a massive contribution to climate change effects and oxygen depletion. But they are by no means alone, it’s just a worthy observation. It is industrial civilization that is to blame, and over consumption / overpopulation, putting too many demands upon planetary resources while burning fossil fuels. There is simply no escaping this root cause, it is the baseline for everything this is going wrong with our world.

I think that this topic is yet again, another one of these “scientific reticent” issues, whereas the data and knowledge are “there” for examination, but due to reluctance, vertical disciplines (unwillingness to identify related issues), compartmentalization and political pandering, this issue of global oxygen levels is being grossly ignored at our own peril.

The pace of oxygen depletion is speeding up with more and more industrialization, population increase, fossil fuel burning, ocean saturation, growing dead zones, forest kill and depletion, desertification and deforestation, and even the loss of phytoplankton in the world’s oceans.

The issue is quite serious and once again, little is being done to address this as the world plunges headlong towards its own destruction.

posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 07:54 PM

More Info. Here:

This is what eats them. Generally speaking, when beetles increase, their predators increase. So, the question is: where are the predators?

posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 08:05 PM
It's all part of the plan. Goes quite well with the droughts and the food shortage the droughts will cause.

posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 08:06 PM
reply to post by CynicalDrivel
For now, the coastal forests here in western oregon remain unaffected by the beetle. Eastern Oregon is a different story, and entire forest regions are being wiped out. A few weeks ago, I visited my brother in colorado and was dismayed at the level of destruction by the beetle there. This is a serious problem, and I worry for our beautiful forestland.

posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 08:10 PM
thank you for this post. we have way too much CO2 in the air for the trees and plants to manage to take in.

anyone who says that more CO2 is good for the plants doesn't know anything about botany or biology.

things are getting exponentially worse.

posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 08:12 PM
i started this thread months ago but it died a fast death. regarding trees ability to absorb the CO2.

posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 08:19 PM
I think you are just realizing just how violent the universe really is! just because all of that is happening does not mean we will be out of air in our lifetime. Sure maybe a possibility, however the rain forests are the "lungs of the earth" and there is more oxygen released by Algae than most of the plants that exist on the earth.

You did state the methane hypothesis which is a really important one though. There are massive explosions of methane of the coast of southern Africa right now! Massive die offs of fish as the fish suffocate because of the massive methane bubbles, methane bubbles are created by fish not eating the lower organisms they fall to the sea floor and produce more methane, fish have been reintroduced but they keep do not survive in most cases because of the methane content. html

The pine beetle is a problem, one that is close to me actually, so i know how bad it is... the thing is that they used to spray literal metric tones of DDT to rid the Beatles from the worked for a while but caused cancer and so many other conditions. Now they are back, still lots of options though like entering a predatory species and or beetle virus. I think what you are searching for though is something that is curtain like factual proof that what is going to happen will happen or not. I CAN ONLY TELL YOU ONE THING, THAT UNCERTAINTY IS ABSOLUTELY CURTAIN! worrying about it wont solve anything. If you want to fix it go be an ecologist, biologist, school ect. Don't underestimate the the scale of the earth, even though these seem like huge numbers there are around 5 trillion trees on the earth, a billion is a lot but they are not the primary producers of oxygen. All animals have a bell curve if they consume the once they reach the top there is nowhere to go but down!!!

posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 11:50 PM
So you've figured out, why there's so much in subsidies for corn did you? Unfortunately, those crops are dying too.

posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 11:56 PM
I hadn't really thought about that. Perhaps oxygen tanks would be a wise addition to the "survival gear" !

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 02:03 AM

Originally posted by pasiphae
thank you for this post. we have way too much CO2 in the air for the trees and plants to manage to take in.

anyone who says that more CO2 is good for the plants doesn't know anything about botany or biology.

things are getting exponentially worse.

CO2 is great for the plants, at higher CO2 levels the rate at which the plant metabolizes(works) increases, it is a feedback behavior "designed" by evolution to make up for increased animal populations (more carbon dioxide).

However, when artificial production of carbon dioxide occurs in conjunction with primarily oceanic acidity and deforestation the feedback loop is "snapped" and a plumet in one direction or the other will occur. In this case, increased CO2. but you need to see the silver lining, when anoxia occurs the animal population will die off which will allow the feedback loop to restore its slef.

A couple facts to know

Plancton is the world largest producer of Oxygen and is very sensitive to acidity levels exterior to its homiostatic constant (its normal operational parameters)

So to sum up, the increase in CO2 is GREAT for photosynthetic organisms (plants, plancton, cyanobacteria etc.) As it will depleted the animal population to the point where plants will thrive again, until they produce too much oxygen which will cause larger animals which will cause plant populations to be devoured causing CO2 levels to rise and so on and so forth.

Here's a suggestion I believe everyone should consider, everything exists as a wave, all the way from subatomic particles to everyday decisions to galactic energy output to bowel movement size etc. Shall I continue.

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 03:25 PM
Actually, worlds forests are growing even faster. Every year forests move more north because of global warming. World's largest forests in Siberia are growing rapidly and scientists have underestimated their ability to convert CO2 to oxygen.

Also, there is more and more algae in Oceans, they produce more oxygen than anything. Major problem is heating of sea temperatures. Cold water is very good at storing CO2 but as water gets warmer, it lets stored CO2 to our Atmosphere.

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 03:50 PM
I shouldn't have been burning "trees" as i read this... because this is a completely plausible idea.
with facts.
s&f my friend

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 03:53 PM
reply to post by earthart

walmart will sell bottles of co2!

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 04:00 PM
reply to post by earthart

But a warming planet also means a warming ocean, and a warming ocean means more algae and plantlife in the ocean, and that is where the majority of our Oxygen comes from anyway.

In reality, I'm more worried about HIGHER Oxygen levels than I am lower ones. In prehistoric times the higher oxygen levels meant larger insects and predators! I am NOT a fan of 8 foot spiders! I want nothing to do with a planet that can support such things.

edit on 18-7-2012 by getreadyalready because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 04:05 PM
reply to post by getreadyalready

we would get bigger too

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 04:11 PM

Originally posted by vister74
reply to post by getreadyalready

we would get bigger too

I'm a lot bigger than the spiders now, and they still creep me out. I'd have to be 100 feet tall to battle an 8 foot spider, LOL!

posted on Jul, 18 2012 @ 06:41 PM
reply to post by vister74

After a few generations have passed, yes, we would grow in size some, but not as near the size we used to be. Oh, did I say that.

Higher Oxygen levels would start to reverse all diseases and illness. Or ultimate size would hinge on the gravity of the planet therefore limiting our eventual growth. Unless the planet somehow became smaller again, we would grow very little.

Open Lake Vostock and see what happens. Sorry for my mood but some people can put a great deal of stress on you, unintentionally.

posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 01:56 PM
reply to post by earthart

I give Earth a century before the worlds resources run out.If nothing changes between now and then the world will go to war over resources,This would equal armageddon.Lucky for us our Sun Gods are still with us.

posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 02:53 PM
reply to post by DarkSarcasm

i get what you are saying. the CO2 balance is off. it's one of many things that are rapidly changing at a rate we can't adjust to. eventually the balance will be restored but that won't happen until some really drastic stuff takes place..... like our food supply running too low to sustain us all. fish are dying and crops are frying. we're pretty screwed.


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