October Sunrise : Bush Sr.'s secret SR71 flight from Paris / Iranian Hostage Crisis Negotiation

Ran across a story of intrigue I had never heard of. The basics are

* Bush Sr. flies to Paris for secret negotiations with the perpetrators of the Iranian hostage crisis.

* Bush Sr. promises $40 million in weapons (aka Iran/Contra Scandal) if they will wait to release the hostages until after the election.

* Reagan = Hero

* Bush Sr. flies back to the U.S. on a 2-seater Blackbird.

This story is based on the testimony of U.S.Navy Captain Gunther Russbacher, the pilot who flew him there and back. This guy has an interesting history, I'll leave it at that for now.

Another very interesting story is that of Navy Captain Gunther Russbacher, in his article “The Short Road to Chaos and Destruction: An Expose of the Federal Reserve Banking System.” In the editors note, we a privy to a short bio on Russbacher. He served three decades as a Naval Intelligence Officer and covert operative. “In 1980 Captain Russbacher flew then Vice President George Bush to a secret meeting in Paris in what has become know as “The October Sunrise Scandal.”” In 1989, Russbacher was to marry a reporter researching the scandal. He was told not to wed her, and when he did was immediately arrested and incarcerated until December, 1993. He was a political prisoner during Bush I’s administration.

www.hiddenmysteries.org...

A BAC 111 aircraft, which had been reconfigured to carry a sufficient amount of fuel to travel 3,600 miles, left Andrews Air Force Base in the late afternoon of October 19, 1980. The aircraft's destination: Paris, France. The Passengers aboard the aircraft included the command pilot U.S. Navy Captain Gunther Russbacher, Richard Brenneke and Heinrick Rupp, on the flight deck; and in the cabin was William Casey, soon to be the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency; Donald Greggs, soon to be the ambassador to South Korea; and George Bush, the future Vice President and President of the United States and former director of the Central Intelligence Agency. There were also Secret Service agents aboard the aircraft.

This is the weekend - three weeks before the November 1980 Presidential Election, that Bush has claimed he spent at Andrews Air Force Base.

According to Russbacher statements, Bush stayed only a couple of hours. He attended a meeting at the Hotel Crillion and at the Hotel George V. Russbacher, Brenneke, and Rupp stayed at the Hotel Florida. Bush did not return on the same BAC 111 aircraft or return with some of the people he had flown with to Paris, but instead Russbacher flew him back in the SR71. The aircraft was refueled about 1800 to 1900 nautical miles into the Atlantic by a KCl35. The returning flight with Bush landed at McGuire Air Force base at approximately 2 a.m. on October 20. Russbacher states that Bush, while in Paris, met with Hashemi Rafsanjani, the second in command to the Ayatollah and now the president of Iran, and Adnan Khashoggi, a Saudi Arabian businessman who was extremely powerful. Arrangements were apparently made to pay Iran $40 million to delay the release of hostages in order to thwart President Jimmy Carter's re-election bid. The $40 million was the beginning of terms that created the Iran-Contra scandal that is now being reopened by Congress.

dmc.members.sonic.net...

This doesn't surprise me much giving the Bush families' influence leading back to before WWII....

Thoughts?

Isn't that the same stuff from decades ago?

Or is this new material?

I can't discern from the links...

as soon as i saw your title, i was all over this......

this is the hostage thing in iran...24 april 1980...right....


anything else you know please forward,,,,i have special interest in this

reply to post by JacKatMtn


The links are old, but the first I heard of Bush Sr negotiations / SR 71 flight....

Originally posted by JacKatMtn
Isn't that the same stuff from decades ago?

Or is this new material?

I can't discern from the links...

Yes this is from the old Iran contra scandal. Too bad they didn't throw the sob out on their way over there.

The SR71 Blackbirds leak fuel, something to do with the seals i believe. So not to safe especially for transporting VIPs of any level. Then again stranger things have happened, it is politics and he is a Bush so moneys not a factor in anyway.

Originally posted by andy06shake
The SR71 Blackbirds leak fuel, something to do with the seals i believe. So not to safe especially for transporting VIPs of any level. Then again stranger things have happened, it is politics and he is a Bush so moneys not a factor in anyway.

The Blackbird aspect is what intrigues me most...

Originally posted by andy06shake
The SR71 Blackbirds leak fuel, something to do with the seals i believe. So not to safe especially for transporting VIPs of any level. Then again stranger things have happened, it is politics and he is a Bush so moneys not a factor in anyway.

It's designed to do that. The seals fully seal when they reach high altitudes.

reply to post by buster2010


"It's designed to do that. The seals fully seal when they reach high altitudes."

Why is that? Leaking fuel and supersonic travel did not work out to well for the concorde, i know its not relavent, and it happened on take off just wondering why the SR-71 leaks.

I mean safe enough for civilian transport, obviously they must be safe with them costing so much, but then theres the Space Shuttle, that did not work out to well on certain occasions.

reply to post by andy06shake


IIRC they leak fuel because at rest they are cold - the titanium airframe expands so much from friction heat at operational speeds that it caused problems with sealing properly at low temperatures. The leaks weer only minor, and did not always happen.

Concorde did not have the same problems because different materials were used.

the reason why im interested in this, is that i am adamant, IF alien contact was made....there was definatly contact in 1980.

iv been trying to work it out for years.....
there is a story that in mid 1980 there was an alien signal from one of jupiters moons

"NASA and SETI astronomers picked up on a radio signal that seemed to have a coded message sometime in the mid 1980’s. The signal was coming from Jupiter’s moon Ganymede and was definitely artificial in nature."

then

"President Reagan was notified and an international conference was assembled to determine how to make an attempt to contact whatever beings were sending the message. "

Read more: scienceray.com...

BTW why do people hate carter...he gave us peace in the middle east....helped secure the state of isreal etc etc.....



AND FROM ANOTHER SITE...which is brilliant


1980

In 1980, after his election, Ronald Reagan changes the 'Air
Defense' in NORAD to "Aerospace Defense". The 'Roswell Incident'
was published by William Moore. The MUFON journal publishes and
article on Project Redlight. The Federal Emergency Management
Agency conducts Rex-80 exercises, in which they relocate Cuban
refugees as part of a population relocation test.

In January 1980, Peter Gersten secures two documents from the
NSA under the Freedom of Information Act. Gersten was able to find
out on April 27, 1982 that some 238 NSA documents were located in
the search that the government made.

In May, 1980, psychologist and researcher Leo Sprinkle
regresses Myrna Hanson, who relates information about underground
bases with vats. Also in May, Judy Doraty and her son witness a
cattle mutilation and are abducted and implanted themselves.

In August 1980, disks intrude again into the Manzano Weapons
Storage Area in New Mexico. On August 8th, a disk was discovered by
a Sandia guard next to a building containing HQ CR44 (nuclear
materials). On August 9th, a security officer checks down Coyote
Canyon Road and discovers a disk.

By November 1980, researcher Paul Bennewitz was still being
monitored by the NSA. In December 1980, the Cash - Landrum case
occurred where both women received severe radiation poisoning
during an encounter with a US disk that is escorted away in full
view of the two woman by 23 military helicopters.


1981

In 1981, George Bush (former head of the CIA) becomes Vice-
President and Ronald Reagan becomes President. The NASA R&D
budget
is $109 million. Ronald Reagan was shot in an assassination attempt
that wanted to put George Bush in office a little sooner.

In 1981, the University of Florida begins work on thought
operated computers. The Stealth 117A aircraft was first test flown.
In January 1980, discovery of the Bentwaters/Woodbridge case
featuring underground activities.

On January 13, 1981, Colonel Charles J. Halt writes a memo at
RAF Bentwaters on the alien encounter in Rendlesham Forest.

:www.thewatcherfiles.com...

Originally posted by andy06shake
The SR71 Blackbirds leak fuel, something to do with the seals i believe. So not to safe especially for transporting VIPs of any level. Then again stranger things have happened, it is politics and he is a Bush so moneys not a factor in anyway.

They leak on the ground, but not in flight. The low pressure at high altitude, combined with the heat of the high speed flight tightened everything right up.

I don't believe this story for a second though. Why would they need to take a Blackbird? Why not any other military aircraft? What is the difference between 2 hours to Paris or 4 hours to Paris? Where did they park such an aircraft near Paris? They won't even land the B2 bombers anywhere in the world besides Kansas City, MO. And the B2 is public knowledge with tons of photographs and data, the SR71 was actually kept secret! NO WAY they were landing that thing anywhere in France. Plus, the modifications to accomodate passengers don't make much sense, and they would not have been quick or easy to make.

This story wreaks. I'm not buying it for a second. Even without all the technical headaches and secrecy, there is still just no reason for it? Why not just take another military craft that could get them there quickly?

AND, if you are bribing someone with $40M, they are going to wait a couple of extra hours, and they won't need to be intimidated by your cool toys. They are just there for the cash.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

AND, if you are bribing someone with $40M, they are going to wait a couple of extra hours, and they won't need to be intimidated by your cool toys. They are just there for the cash.

makes no sense....hostages were released in april....here they are talking about a trip made in november??


im going with the alien contact meetings that were going on

peace

It didn't happen...

Listing of all Personnel who Flew the Blackbirds

The following data lists all personnel who qualified to fly the Blackbirds. The listing is from the first person to fly the aircraft to the last person qualified. The listing includes all RSO's and VIP's that flew in the aircraft. This original data was derived from Buddy Brown's Book and has been expanded upon by David Allison, webmaster at Habu.Org. He has diligently researched and verified those entry's contained below. There is data missing but to our knowledge that data is currently not available from any source. As time goes on and data becomes available, this web page will be updated. You can search this page for a name by going to: Edit/Find in Page and entering the name of the crewmember. This page should verify any rumors as to "The Politician who said he flew a Blackbird".

I guess that takes care of that...

The SR-71 was piloted by Air Force Flight Officers, the only Navy pilot was Bob Gilliland... Who ironically flew every Blackbird as it was produced as Lockheed's principal test pilot on the project... As a civilian...

Big Bad Bob...

On 22 December 1964, Lockheed Test Pilot Bob Gilliland flew the first flight of SR-71 #950 at Palmdale, Calf, flying for 1 hour and over 1000 mph. As the SR-71 program continued to grow, Gilliland continued to be the first pilot to fly each Blackbird as it became operational, logging more experimental supersonic flight test-time above Mach 2 and Mach 3 than any other pilot.

Bob logged more flying time at Mach 3 then any other man. This flying time would only be exceeded by a few operational pilots and only over the long operating career of the Blackbird.

Being a "Sled Driver" is rare company... Many more claim to be one than actually are (think of all the "Bar SEALs" there are) and compress the actual number of actual flight crew members, then compress it even more to the number of pilots (the RSO is just along for the ride).

Fun read about the SR-71

One day, high above Arizona , we were monitoring the radio traffic of all the mortal airplanes below us. First, a Cessna pilot asked the air traffic controllers to check his ground speed. 'Ninety knots,' ATC replied. A twin Bonanza soon made the same request. 'One-twenty on the ground,' was the reply. To our surprise, a navy F-18 came over the radio with a ground speed check. I knew exactly what he was doing. Of course, he had a ground speed indicator in his cockpit, but he wanted to let all the bug-smashers in the valley know what real speed was 'Dusty 52, we show you at 620 on the ground,' ATC responded. The situation was too ripe. I heard the click of Walter's mike button in the rear seat. In his most innocent voice, Walter startled the controller by asking for a ground speed check from 81,000 feet, clearly above controlled airspace. In a cool, professional voice, the controller replied, ' Aspen 20, I show you at 1,982 knots on the ground.' We did not hear another transmission on that frequency all the way to the coast.

Navy Captain piloting an outbound in a BAC 111 (which honestly sounds as implausible as an SR-71) and an SR-71 on the return flight... I miss the days when people did a modicum of research before making a story up...

reply to post by getreadyalready


B-2s land all over the world. We had them at Hickam, they've stayed extended times on Guam, and they've landed in other countries for airshows.

B-2 landing at the Paris Airshow in 1995:



The SR-71 wouldn't need any "passenger modifications". If this had ever happened, they would have put him in the RSO's seat, and he would have flown in the back seat. The A-12 was a single seat, the SR-71 had two crew members, a pilot and an RSO that flew in the back seat.

As for landing it in Paris, this should put an end to that argument. They took the SRs all over for airshows. It was at the Mildenhall Air Show in 1986, Farnborough 1986, Paris in 1989, among others.

reply to post by Mirthful Me


Are you implying I made the story up

How do you know it didn't happen ?

I think it's plausible , with the knowledge (& power) GB 41 was privy to.....

i just realised that the SR71 is the craft in transformers: revenge of the fallen.
the old dude that takes them to egypt, and clues them up about the past

reply to post by Signals


No, he wasn't implying that. Unless you wrote the article. But there was never a Navy captain that flew the SR-71. There were barely any Air Force pilots that flew it. They were incredibly selective as to who flew the aircraft, and everyone that flew it can be found pretty easily.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Sorry, as a prior B-2 Crew Chief, I can tell you that we land them where ever we want as long as there is a long enough run way and ample security to encircle the craft. Of course this is usually done in the cloak of darkness whenever possible, but not always a must.

Originally posted by thePharaoh
makes no sense....hostages were released in april....here they are talking about a trip made in november??
...

It ended with the signing of the Algiers Accords in Algeria on January 19, 1981.

The hostages were formally released into United States custody the following day, just minutes after the new American president Ronald Reagan was sworn into office.

en.wikipedia.org...

On November 2, the Iranian parliament finally set forth formal conditions for the hostages' release and eight days later Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher arrived in Algiers with the first U.S. reply setting off a slow motion diplomatic shuffle between Washington, Algiers and Tehran.

Algeria mediated between the U.S. and Iran

The negotiations resulted in the "Algiers Accords" of January 19, 1981. The Algiers Accords called for Iran's immediate freeing of the hostages, the unfreezing of $7.9 billion of Iranian assets and immunity from lawsuits Iran might have faced in America, and a pledge by the United States that "it is and from now on will be the policy of the United States not to intervene, directly or indirectly, politically or militarily, in Iran's internal affairs."