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Originally posted by Buddha1098
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Bone75
i would say they're a fear based cult... everything seems to revolve around Revelation with them
Though i admit its amusing when they come to my door... Its the only book most of them know...
*sigh*
What a shame...
They aren't a cult they are more like a religious pyramid scheme. Those Watchtower tracts they hand out are free to you and me but JWs have to buy them from the organization. More converts, more tracts, more $$$.
Originally posted by xDeadcowx
I have always been fascinated by the 144k number. Why would anyone join a religion knowing that they are already over capacity? Even if you worshiped your butt off, wouldn't it be a safe bet that there are already 144k world wide that have been in the church longer than you?
IMO it probably works like a carrot on a stick, work hard enough, recruit enough people, do what your told without question and you might just make the cut.
If that is the case, wouldn't making the cut essentially cut someone from the team? Could any man/woman of god, with love in their hearts, really be so selfish as to prevent another from reaching heaven just to secure their own spot?
DC
once again a prime example of lack of knowledge. The Bible talks about 2 hopes an earthy hope and heavenly hope. 144k will serve as kings and priests in heaven just like the Bible says. It also talks of an earthly hope that no man can number 7 million plus witnesses have an earthly hope. I'm on my mobile at the moment at work soon as I get time I'll post about it in more detail if you would actually really like to know the real answer to
Originally posted by xDeadcowx
I have always been fascinated by the 144k number. Why would anyone join a religion knowing that they are already over capacity? Even if you worshiped your butt off, wouldn't it be a safe bet that there are already 144k world wide that have been in the church longer than you?
IMO it probably works like a carrot on a stick, work hard enough, recruit enough people, do what your told without question and you might just make the cut.
If that is the case, wouldn't making the cut essentially cut someone from the team? Could any man/woman of god, with love in their hearts, really be so selfish as to prevent another from reaching heaven just to secure their own spot?
DC
Originally posted by supermanning
I was a Jehovah's Witness for over 10 years. Here are some of the reasons for me leaving the organization.
#1
Charles Taze Russell was buried next to a freemason lodge in Pennsylvania next to a pyramid that was built by the watchtower bible and tract society/international bible students association with knights templar symbols all over it. To all you Jehovah's Witnesses out there, watch the entire video and listen to the evidence BEFORE you call me an Apostate. I'm serious. Don't just read the title and assume I was sent here by satan to mock your religion. This is all 100% TRUTH. Research it.
#2 They themselves admit in the book "Insight on the scriptures vol 2 on page 7, last paragraph" that the correct proununciation of the tetragrammaton has been lost and no longer attainable, but "we should not give up on the widely used "Jehovah" because it's what the world uses" but then tells their "Sheep like one" aka "Sheeple" to be no be part of the world.
#3 Questioning of any doctrine is absolutely prohibited and reading or watching anything other than WTBTS info is also prohibited, and if it continues, will be cause for disfellowshipping.
#4 Everything the "governing body" does is kept secret along with their identities when servants of "Jehovah" should never do anything in secret. The entire religion is based upon the same compartmentalization as the NWO pyramid power structure.
#5 The watchtower encourages "snitching" to "authorities" and to follow any "command" given to them by corrupt scum bag government put here by Goldman Sachs and not by "Jehovah" and uses Romans chapter 13 to con the "sheep like ones" aka "sheeple" into obeying not only them but corrupt government to the point of saying "if government tells you to go to war, just sit in prison as a conscientious objector," when that's exactly what the NWO wants us to do. Now I don't believe in unjust war, but god did order his people to war a few times in the old testament so that shows us that rolling over to the NWO like a dog wanting it's belly rubbed is absolutely wrong.
#6 They never speak of FEMA concentration camps, flouride in the water, chemtrails spraying crap in the air that is killing us, GMO food, Illuminati bloodlines and how Charles Taze Russell is in that bloodline.
#7 They eat everything that is non kosher, and tell you that Jesus said it was ok to do so and use a scripture where Jesus was talking about washing his hands before eating as justification to do so. Mark 7:14-23
#8 Individualism is frowned upon. They care more about the rights of the entire organization, than they do about the rights of the individuals in the organization. Free will is preached as what they are about, but the moment you excersize it, you are repremanded.
#9 Reading the bible by itself is frowned upon, as one cannot come to an accurate knowledge of what the bible says without reading it in sections outlined by the watchtowers books, tracks, and magazines.
#10 They say that they will not come between family members when it comes to decisions that are made in the family, but that is total bs as I have been a party to it and a witness to it, countless times.
Originally posted by scorpiosin
reply to post by crawdad1914
I have actually experienced the apostate thing. I get that many times and it can be quite frustrating when I've tried to have open minded conversation with some of the family about some of the deeper topics. While I realize the do have genuine good intentions (the individual people I've known) debate is difficult because that out can be used so easily.edit on 17-7-2012 by scorpiosin because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Bone75
Quite a few of my family members are Jehovah's witnesses. Well today one of them said to me...
"Bone, I know you don't believe in all this stuff, but I need you to trust me right now. The elders at the Kingdom Hall are telling us to get all of our documents together, including birth certificates, social security cards, deeds, titles, etc. and have these things ready to go on the fly. He said be prepared for an out of the blue phone call sometime between now and December 21st in which we'll be instructed to gather our families and get to the Hall right away."
When my family member asked why... "He said something major is about to take place, there's going to be something evil on the streets, and when we take shelter in the Kingdom Hall, Jehovah will not let them in."
And that's about all he would tell me. I know there was more, but I think he's just trying to avoid looking any crazier. That's why I brought this here because we're all a bunch of nuts and maybe there's a Jehovah's Witness amongst us that can provide some more details.
Thanks in advance!
-Bone
Many of the JW theology and prophecy is flawed by still using Replacement theology when clearly Israel became a country again ...
As a Jehovah's Witness the biggest sin is to leave. The second biggest sin is to associate with a former member, even if that member is family