If there was a war between China and the US who would win?

A truly pathetic question................I would say that you are probably about 17 years of age, if not younger and play too many video games and not go out very often..........If you are over 17, then heaven help us.........

It's not like asking which of these two football teams are going to win, or which runner is going to win the 100 metres.........

Give me strength......

At one time ATS was brilliant, now this is what it has come down to..............so sad........

reply to post by davethebear


Why because you just happen to say so? It's a perfectly valid question. I'm sure there's a cold war on between the 2 right now.

reply to post by DarknStormy


I don't think so. that's there biggest last manufacturing industry, I think.

reply to post by r2d246


There is nothing to fear. The Waltons would never let that happen as their entire existence is based on a relationship with China.

There has already been a war of sorts and China has already won it.
Look at the effect Walmarts has had on the US and then look at what a boom it has been to China.
Walmarts is pulling China's poor out of the gutters and created a rising middle class.

In America it has taken jobs and manufacturing away and driven the economy into a slump.
Who shops at Walmarts?
America's ghetto trash now have a place to spend their welfare check.
They can stretch the money they make selling their bodies, children and drugs.

Can we have a ticker tape parade?
We are doing so well here in the US compared to China.....Not.

As someone else already said, there would be no winners.

But if the question was re-phased to, 'Who, of the two nations, would be the one with the most power to inflict the most damage and wipe out most of humanity?", then I'd have to say China.

To my mind, it's the wealthiest nation in the world (thanks to the greed of our western nations desiring cheap labor), and second only to Israel in military power - so let's not be pissing either of them off, please.

This qestion is asked every few weeks on this forum and there are numerous threads relating to it. Use the search button first next time.

reply to post by BreeAnna00

Don't worry. The Chinese have ZERO ability of Force Projection. Although China is the Worlds most populous nation...Millions of Troops mean nothing if you can't get them anywhere other than your own countries shores.

The U.S. Navy is unbelievably Lethal as well as able to prevent any other country from Shipping or Flying their Troops and Weapons for any real distance. Why do you think that CHINA...once obsessed with Reunification with Taiwan...hardly ever even speaks about it anymore?

Golden Rule...never lend money to a Country that you have NO ABILITY to force payment from. Scenario...China attempts to invade Taiwan...U.S. Navy Carrier Groups with following Attack Subs...OBLITERATE CHINESE INVASION FORCE AT SEA. U.S. stops all payments on Chinese Loans...U.S. also stops all cargo shipments to U.S. as well as stops all Oil Tankers heading toward China. China attempts a Limited ICBM Launch of perhaps 50 ICBM's with 3 Mirvs per Missile...New U.S. ABM System...a combination of the Battle Tested SM-3 ABM as well as U.S. use of partially installed Direct Energy Weapons...FEL...Free Electron Laser and MEB....Microwave Emitting Beam.

50 Missiles either shot down or VAPORIZED. You cannot compare the U.S. Military with Chinese Military. China is multiple Decades behind. Split Infinity

Originally posted by r2d246
Also is there any country that by itself could take out the US?

edit on 17-7-2012 by r2d246 because: (no reason given)

Nope, in fact its the other way around. America has ALWAYS relied on other countries to do the fighting for them, so without any allied support America will absolutely lose in any conflict with a country that has an actual army, not just some taliban villagers lol.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by BreeAnna00

 

Don't worry. The Chinese have ZERO ability of Force Projection. Although China is the Worlds most populous nation...Millions of Troops mean nothing if you can't get them anywhere other than your own countries shores.

The U.S. Navy is unbelievably Lethal as well as able to prevent any other country from Shipping or Flying their Troops and Weapons for any real distance. Why do you think that CHINA...once obsessed with Reunification with Taiwan...hardly ever even speaks about it anymore?

Golden Rule...never lend money to a Country that you have NO ABILITY to force payment from. Scenario...China attempts to invade Taiwan...U.S. Navy Carrier Groups with following Attack Subs...OBLITERATE CHINESE INVASION FORCE AT SEA. U.S. stops all payments on Chinese Loans...U.S. also stops all cargo shipments to U.S. as well as stops all Oil Tankers heading toward China. China attempts a Limited ICBM Launch of perhaps 50 ICBM's with 3 Mirvs per Missile...New U.S. ABM System...a combination of the Battle Tested SM-3 ABM as well as U.S. use of partially installed Direct Energy Weapons...FEL...Free Electron Laser and MEB....Microwave Emitting Beam.

50 Missiles either shot down or VAPORIZED. You cannot compare the U.S. Military with Chinese Military. China is multiple Decades behind. Split Infinity

You Americans are so shortsighted.

The Chinese don't think in terms of "war" like you Americans do, they play economic warfare and atm you are losing quite badly.

reply to post by CrimsonKapital

You are kidding...Right?

Split Infinity

reply to post by CrimsonKapital

Again...How does China hold any Cards if the U.S. is able without firing a single Bullet...Completely Collapse the Economy of China in a week?

We don't pay the money back...what can they do? NOTHING!

We no longer allow imports from China...what happens? More JOBS in the U.S. and again...Chinese Economy goes BELLY UP!

China even depends on the U.S. Navy to provide Open and Safe Sea Lanes. U.S. Stops all OIL SHIPMENTS via Tankers to China....BELLY UP!

We HOLD ALL THE CARDS! Split Infinity

My money is on china. Thief navy is larger, and their leader isnt afraid of damaging the environment as a result of dropping bombs. They also wouldn't cower the the anti war left, because there is no such group in china. Face it, with this current administration, and good for nothing generation of burned out hippies, America will never win a war again.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

Again...How does China hold any Cards if the U.S. is able without firing a single Bullet...Completely Collapse the Economy of China in a week?

We don't pay the money back...what can they do? NOTHING!

We no longer allow imports from China...what happens? More JOBS in the U.S. and again...Chinese Economy goes BELLY UP!

China even depends on the U.S. Navy to provide Open and Safe Sea Lanes. U.S. Stops all OIL SHIPMENTS via Tankers to China....BELLY UP!

We HOLD ALL THE CARDS! Split Infinity

Are you kidding? China holds ALL the cards, and their MASSIVE emerging middle class will soon dwarf the American middle class so it won't matter if you refuse to trade with them.
Your politicians are too gutless to turn the Chinese down anyway, lol.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
We HOLD ALL THE CARDS! Split Infinity

That's going to be our downfall. Principle target. Infinite regression. Alliances are forming. Enemies within.

reply to post by CrimsonKapital

What's up with you? Are you in a I HATE the U.S. MOOD?!? LOL! Just be happy we are STILL protecting your ass! Split Infinity

reply to post by OneNonBlonde


Sorry hoss, China's military might aint all that its cracked up to be. Most of their arsenal is quite old and they don't spend anywhere near what the USA does on upgrades and military funding.

If its a all out waffle stomp, America would decimate based off of tech and ability alone. 3/4th of any war is pure logistics....and China just doesnt have that at the ready. granted numbers is important, only if your on a even keel with the enemy, and they aren't.

If its an occupation...America might make a lasting impression, but in the end they would have heavy losses due to those numbers of enemy forces being overwhelming.

Nukes would be a more precise method of taking out the trash in this case and would likely cost less lives in the long run. So whats a little radiation eh? Just means you can walk around without a flash light.

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


Lemme guess? Your Chinese? Chiwanese? Look.....economics and military muster are 2 entirely different things.

Economy wise, China aint doin so hot either, which is why they lowered interest rates for the 2nd time this year. Yes they have more jobs, but their money is taking a hit like everyone elses. Only difference? they are not printing it like its going out of style. They have been trying like hell to tear away from the US Dollar only to be kept in check because what faultering economy they have still depends on US Trade...so they aren't anymore in a better position than you might think.

They need us, like we need them....its a ex-wife type of partnership to raise the kids. If they get stupid over something trivial, then military wise we would wipe their ass for them.

Russia doesn't even have a navy good enough to knock us down for the count. If fact, you could put Russia and Chinas Navy together and watch both get blown out of the water before they even got close enough to see the ship on the horizen let alone the shores of the USA.

Its not a macho american opinion....take it from a squid...its a fact.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

What's up with you? Are you in a I HATE the U.S. MOOD?!? LOL! Just be happy we are STILL protecting your ass! Split Infinity

Protecting who?
Australia is practically allies with China in all but name, its your country that is pushing for war in the pacific.

reply to post by Kastogere

Because of my THIRD JOB...I am aware of some U.S. Military Projects that a few of have...and I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY WENT PUBLIC....the ability to completely and not by Nuclear Means...wipe entire ARMIES off the Map or Cities or a single or Multiple Missiles Incoming at the Speed of Light.

Watch for this on the newest U.S. Carrier...the Gerald R. Ford...which will have a Maglev Catapult as well as 50% Robotic Aircraft...Oh...and one more thing...a Nuclear Powered Free Electron Laser...as all Carriers and Aegis Cruisers will have installed along with it's own Nuclear Power Source!

You are correct...China is not even CLOSE to a Military Match against the U.S. This is not the words of a Patriot
all though I am. These are the words of Reality. Split Infinity

reply to post by CrimsonKapital

Right now or as of late...the U.S. Navy has been positioning itself to protect Australia...by request of the Australian Government...to protect Australian Cities or Population areas from another North Korean Missile Test. Even without a real Warhead...this piece of S#!% North Korean ICBM...or what they say passes for one...is a SERIOUS DANGER TO AUSTRALIAS PEOPLE.

The North Koreans intend to launch this ICBM which has a history of ALWAYS flying off course and this Missile is not a light sleek ICBM but a large and HEAVY Metal Monster than will achieve temporary low orbit then plunge toward what they say will be Ocean.

There is a very good chance that this thing could accidentally hit land in Australia and the amount of Kinetic Force generated by even a Missile with a dummy warhead reentering at about 16 to 18,000 MPH has enough KINETIC FORCE to OBLITERATE MULTIPLE CITY BLOCKS!

I have asked this question before. If you were the Government of Australia...and you had an Ally like the United States that is willing if asked to DESTROY THIS ICBM before it hits Australian Land and for whatever reason...you did not ask for help and this Missile Hit a School or City and Killed Hundreds or even a Thousand Children or Adults...all because you did not have the ability to shoot it down and did not ask a WILLING TO HELP ALLY...then what would you think of yourself THEN!?
Split Infinity