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Originally posted by Wongbeedman
No offence to anyone this is my view only...
Why do christians even consider the idea of ufos and aliens when the idea simply completely contradicts EVERYTHING they're taught?
I guess its like everything that questions their "faith"
Satan did it.....
You mean there MAY be ufos in the bible.
Just because (and I speak for myself) I could be Christian or Catholic should mean that I should just listen to somebody else explanation of what happened in what seems to be the origin of our race OR am I entitled to do my personal search on the subject?
For the Church (both Christian and/or Catholic) it seems that we are all NOT entitled to read this book. Let's not forget that until not long ago (historically), who was caught with a Bible was sentenced to death. What does "believe the Bible" means in your term? Because if you really BUT really and truly believe (and would like to live by it) the Bible, I don't quite think you could ever qualify as "Christian". I mean in the Bible, one example for all, in not just condoned but also approved and given tips on slavery and how to keep slaves properly (or have sex with slaves...). Being a Christian, on the other hand would something else... But what really the Bible is?
Definitely a historical document that has "somehow" through manipulations, translations, reached our days that tells us about the "pact" between a group of beings who formed human race (the elohim) and that provided their counterparts rules and regulations transforming them from a group of nomadic tribes into a people. If you mean, by using the term "believe", that those events have really happened, my reply is a resounded "YES". Although, and there the work of translators from the Hebrew like Mauro Biglino come handy, we need to understand that linguistically and technologically those ancient cultures might not had the proper terminology to describe what they saw and they used words they were familiar with to describe what they saw. And if we choose to prove what we read and have the courage to confront it with what other cultures throughout the world also wrote about, we will find many similarities. For example, the Mahabharata and the Sumerian texts...
Originally posted by The GUT
I guess Christians adopt the theory because when taking the UFO phenomena as a whole, it's the most cohesive fit out there.
In Passport to Magonia Dr. Jacques Valle demonstrated quite clearly that whatever it is, it's been with us since recorded history. The link will take you to a PDF of the entire book, btw. Highly recommended for anyone who hasn't read it.
An article from Fortean Times by Dr. David Clarke titled Flying Saucers from Hell gives a balanced view of some of the issues/reasons and tells the story of some of Britain's finest ufologists--including Lord Hill-Norton & Gordon Creighton--who started out secularists and of the ETH persuasion but finally came to conclude the phenomenon was indeed demonic in origin.
Some also find Enoch & the Nephilim relevant.
And then there's the following:
"But the UFO phenomenon simply does not behave like extraterrestrial visitors. It actually molds itself in order to fit a given culture."
- John Ankerberg, The Facts on UFOs and Other Supernatural Phenomena, p. 10
"Human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways, forcing them to play a role in a bizarre game of deception." - Dr. Jacques Vallee, Messengers of Deception, p. 20
"We are dealing with a multidimensional paraphysical phenomenon which is largely indigenous to planet earth." - Brad Steiger, [cited in] Blue Book Files Released in Canadian UFO Report, Vol. 4, No. 4, 1977, p. 20
"We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extra-terrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us." -Terrence McKenna [from a lecture]
"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships." - Arthur C. Clarke, New York Times Book Review, 07/27/75
"There seems to be no evidence yet that any of these craft or beings originate from outer space." -Gordon Creighton, Official 1992 Flying Saucer Review Policy Statement
"A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomena like poltergeist [ghost] manifestation and 'possession.' Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomena." - Lynn E. Catoe, UFOs and Related Subjects: USGPO, 1969; prepared under AFOSR Project Order 67-0002 and 68-0003
UFO behaviour is more akin to magic than to physics as we know it... the modern UFOnauts and the demons of past days are probably identical." -Dr. Pierre Guerin, FSR Vol. 25, No. 1, p. 13-14
"The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon..." - John A. Keel, UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse, p. 299
"A working knowledge of occult science...is indispensable to UFO investigation." -Trevor James, FSR Vol. 8, No. 1, p.10
Many more interesting quotes from an eclectic group of folk in the link above. Since you're interested in trying to understand, OP, I'll leave a couple more links that make fascinating reading below.
Demons in Aliens Clothing
Ritual Magic, Mind Control and the UFO Phenomenon
Originally posted by Wongbeedman
reply to post by randyvs
Theres little point debating with christians anyway they never listen