Quit Smoking Cigarettes,, Vape yourself , page 8

Originally posted by Shypeir
reply to post by daskakik

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But you're saying that it's not the naturally occurring chemicals or the nicotine, but the act of inhaling the smoke that causes health issues in smokers? I had a look into it..... maybe we should just snuff.

It is the products of the combustion that we then inhale.

There are supposed to be no cases of cancer due to snuff except for one case where a gentleman had the habit of putting snuff in his ear. At least that is all I found.

Hasn't humanity had thousands of years inhaling inorganic burning substances, including herbs, woodsmoke, tobacco, marijuana and a host of other things as well as possessing longevity in their history and traditions?

Not really. Life expectancy from 10,000 BCE - 1820 was around 25 years and since then it has gone up, giving humans more time to smoke them if they got them. Some info: Wood Smoke Fact Sheet

A medical evaluation of Mexican women who regularly cook over open wood fires revealed ravaged lungs and Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension, more severe than tobacco-related Chronic Obstructed Pulmonary Disease. (Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension and Cor Pulmonale Associated with Chronic Domestic Wood smoke Inhalation, Julio Sandoval, M.D., etal., Chest 1993;103:pp12-20.)

I guess it's pointless pro smoking on a vaping thread, but I'm sure there would be more artificial chemicals in the vapes than in my cigarette smoke. They have to make the e-cig with something, and I dont like sucking on plastic. Plastic is bad lol

Not if you got facts to back up your claims. E-juice contains PG, nicotine and flavorings.

I think you are wrong in thinking that "artificial chemicals = bad" and that "natural chemicals = good". Nicotine is the perfect example because it is natural and it is more toxic than cyanide. Yet we have no problem pointing out that in small doses it may even do some good.

Also not all plastics are the same but if someone was really paranoid about plastic I'm sure they could find someone who could make them a mouth piece out of a material that they felt safe with.

Originally posted by grayghost
Now if only you could come up with something to help out the guys that dip skoal.

There are a few safer alternatives to dipping:
Nasal Snuff: Powdered tobacco that is inhaled. The only negative piece on nasal snuff seems to be made by a Dr. John Hill who later recanted. snuffhouse.org... has a lot of info about it.

Snus: Moist swedish tobacco that is placed between the gum and cheek. Goes though a process that reduces the TSNAs. Sweden has a very low incidence of cancer due to tobacco because of its popular use.

Dissolvables: Compressed tobacco which can be in the form of pills (Avira and Stonewall) or others (Camel dissolvables) which are in pill, stick, film form. Don't know about the camel but the other 2 process the tobacco in order to lower the TSNAs.

I'm not really sure what it is about dip that makes it worse than any of the above. This article points the finger at PAHs.

The scientists analyzed the PAHs in 23 moist snuff samples that included various flavors of the most popular brands sold in the U.S. They identified 23 different PAHs in the samples, of which 9 are classified as carcinogens. They conclude that PAHs are one of the most abundant groups of cancer-causing substances in moist snuff.

reply to post by Blackjack Baby

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Congrats BB,

Ive been make my own juice since week 2. Much more economical and made to my liking

Originally posted by S1LV3R4D0
reply to post by Blackjack Baby

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Congrats BB,

Ive been make my own juice since week 2. Much more economical and made to my liking

I just started a couple weeks ago and I'm weening myself from analogs. I got two Infernos
and a KGO along with a Vivi Nova Mega plus various cartos and clearos.

I really want to try some natural extract juice since it has the MAOIs I believe, more
research is needed. Also, I have some Volts on the way for stealth vaping and not
looking like I'm smoking a space age crack pipe. Yes, some people have been questioned
by the cops for hitting on their Ego equipped Vivi in public, and draw a lot of attention to
themselves. I keep mine indoors.

reply to post by S1LV3R4D0

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Thanks.
I've been through the patch, gum and lozenge. I always felt that something else was missing and
did some poking around then I learned just how evil big tobacco is! Just Google ammonia/nicotine
to learn about the free basing effect ammonia gives nic.

That's when I learned about MAOIs in tobacco. I think that's a huge part of the addiction, not just
the nic. I believe that's what caused me to fall back to stinkys before. Hopefully the natural
extract does the trick.

reply to post by S1LV3R4D0

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I still make my own liquid from time to time. I buy nicotine at 50mg and cut it down to 25mg. I just can't seem to make a decent sour green apple, though.

reply to post by Blackjack Baby

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I just did a quick search, i hope these help some. i didnt look for a sour green apple on them but maybe you can tinker and make ur own mix.

Vapors Forum recipes

ELiquid Recipes

Silver

reply to post by thoughtsfull

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I think its becoming more mainstream thanks to good vapors informing the mis-informed and not being aholes about it.

I have personally talked with quite a few people about it when they see me doing it. I blow my lemony water vapor in their faces(after asking for approval) and they are pleasantly surprised and become very supportive after the fact.

There is a local ejuice store here but not any place close to get parts. But then again, i try not to be one of those vapers who need every new fangled thing under the sun. After much research, i found what i wanted, it worked for me and whalla, no more costs!!!

Silver

reply to post by S1LV3R4D0

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Good points about the those who vape tend to inform those who do not in a generally sensible way, as opposed to the usual scare tactics... however I also think the UK government coming out on the side of those who vape has helped (here in the UK at least)

The fact that the likes of Sainsburys have taken up the mantel of selling ecigs is a really good sign, not sure what the similar company would be in America.. but as far as branding goes they are a fairy well respected retailer..

To give you an indicator, it's the type of food retailer the advocates and uses things like traffic lights on food to indicate how healthy/unhealthy food is.. and seeing them sell ecigs alongside that type of branding adds a degree of respectability.. which I think is great. as all the noises that ran along the lines of banning ecigs had me worried for a while.

Glad you have had some good experiences... jsut checked my order history and it seems I have been vaping over 3 years now.. LOL, time flying wheay to fast and I am only on my second device type...

Although I do have some decent shops and outlets around me I have stuck with one model now for the last 2 years, although I have to admit that I am tempted with one of the newer tank ones.. LOL, I've not got that far yet as the batteries I brought 2 years ago are still working fine, only now I'm running out of atomisers, which they no longer make *boohoo rubs eyes* guess there comes a time for change..

Interestingly, one of the Universities in England have designed a new tank based ecig, now sure if I like it.. but it is good to see an interest being taken from other quarters that are not just China.. that can only be a positive forward direction and certainly undermines the NRT studies that attempt to slam ecigs based on the notion of cheap/substandard manufacturing from China..

Anyway rambled enough as it is... good to chat to you

reply to post by thoughtsfull

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Thats interesting how england has embraced them. I was just reading an article in the supermarket industry magazine about the njoy being the death of cigarettes in retail grocery chains. It may get the mainstream push here that it needs now that the technology is actually at a point where it can sustain itself instead of being more of a hassle than its worth.

Heres to hoping for everyone vaping instead of smoking.

Cheers,

Silver

It's good the technology is now moving forward from the messy products I first brought.. although I prefer to create my own flavours, I do like the disposable cartomiser approach as it is an easy route to vaping.. and an easy product for the run of the mill retailer to sell..

Amusingly in the UK we have introduced legislation that means cigarettes at cigarette counters of larger retailers are now hidden behind bland gray screens, demoting cigarettes can only help promote vaping.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk...

But if I am honest, I think we have embraced them more because we have a conservative Government that wants to save cash on it's socialised medical care... and one way to save cash is to cut down on things like cigarette related illness.

One of the UK Governments committees has reported back that nudging people from Smoking to Vaping could save at least 10,000 lives per year in the UK alone.. that's a huge saving on the medical bills.. and as cynical as I can be, if that is the real motivator for the Government to try and nudge people over to using ECigs then I can't help but still feel glad.

www.guardian.co.uk...

And since I posted about Sainsburys it seems all the UKs larger food retailers are also selling them (you learn something new every day) which is good news.. the more entrenched it becomes the better it is for those of us who vape.

I will put my hands up and say I have been deeply concerned about where this could head if Big Pharma decided to throw their weight behind getting these banned in favour of their products.. I tried all their NRT stuff, and nothing worked for me, but ecigs do, blending my own I've been working down the strengths and now down to 8mg.. and to be honest in comparison to the NRT bits, I've enjoyed the process

It's really good to chat to you

As we Brits sometimes say, thank crunchie it's Friday, and here's hoping you have a good weekend

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