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Originally posted by SpaDe_
If I insult a computer will it legitimately feel anger? If a computer loses a loved one will it cry? Does a computer naturally feel emotion? Can a computer grow and learn from birth without being programmed? These are all things that make humans unique and give the possibility for us to have a "soul". It is we that create the electronic devices, and while they do imitate they will never be human, and therefore will never have a soul.
Do IPads have souls?
Originally posted by SaturnFXDoes my Ipad have a soul? Does my toaster have potential of being a pop star, etc...granted, these things don't process as much as me..my toaster has a sensor to detect when toast is burning and will react approprately based on its programs...
The soul—in many traditional spiritual, philosophical, and psychological traditions—is the incorporeal and immortal essence of a person, living thing, or object.[1] According to some religions (including the Abrahamic religions in most of their forms), souls—or at least immortal souls capable of union with the divine[2]—belong only to human beings. For example, the Catholic theologian Thomas Aquinas attributed "soul" (anima) to all organisms but taught that only human souls are immortal.[3] Other religions (most notably Jainism) teach that all biological organisms have souls, and others further still that even non-biological entities (such as rivers and mountains) possess souls. This latter belief is called animism.[4] Anima mundi and the Dharmic Ātman are concepts of a "world soul." Soul can function as a synonym for spirit, mind or self;[5] scientific works, in particular, often consider 'soul' as a synonym for 'mind'.
Originally posted by lifttheveil
Do IPads have souls?
OK, this is one of those threads that makes one think...
"What the hell am I wasting my time on ATS for when I could be spending my short life doing something much more worthwhile".
No disrespect to the OP, and to avoid getting a possible "TOC Violaton, or Manners or Decorum useless waste of space image" I'll go back on topic....
No, I do not think Ipods have souls
Originally posted by ImNotHuman
Your soul or conscious has the ability to create and think for its self into the future, (what will i do tomorrow) and in the past. (remeber that time i dunked on shaq)
An ipad cant create for itself it can only do what the app lets it do. it cant think for its self willingly or create for that matter. it can only do what it is told it can, not what it cant because its limits are are what it can do, what it cant do is everything that isnt programmed/or told(w/e, u get it).
so no doesnt have a soul because if it were it would have no limits.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by SpaDe_
If I insult a computer will it legitimately feel anger? If a computer loses a loved one will it cry? Does a computer naturally feel emotion? Can a computer grow and learn from birth without being programmed? These are all things that make humans unique and give the possibility for us to have a "soul". It is we that create the electronic devices, and while they do imitate they will never be human, and therefore will never have a soul.
If you insult a infant, will it feel anger? If the infant lost its mother, would it cry (for the mother, not for food), etc.
Emotions, connections, etc are taught (programmed) by society.
If I lose a loved one, I will feel sad..but if someone 3 miles away dies, I will feel ultimately nothing...because I am not programmed to concern myself with that person.
We create artificial limbs, do we question a person that lost arms and legs to somehow have less of a soul due to parts missing? consider that experiment..how many parts can you take off a person before they are without a "soul". You will find you can replace everything except for the brain and it is still a soul creature...aka, remove the processor/information storage of programming.
If I had a soul, I should be able to swap out the brain like one would a tooth and still be "self", no? so, since I can't, then we are simply a product of programming.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by SaturnFX
Allow me to ask you something: is a machine capable of emotion? If there is no emotion, then I think there is no soul. There requires a certain understanding for emotion, and no machine understands as humans do. Machines are programmed to react thus when faced with such and such. It's a mathematical process.
No emotion involved. And therefore, no soul. If you can argue with this, however, I would be willing to listen.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by SaturnFX
Can you design an algorithm that recreates emotion perfectly? A genuine personality that responds with human-like sensitivity, out of pure numbers?
Can anyone?
Originally posted by SpaDe_
You claim we are programmed, but a child's bond to it's mother is not programmed. So you are telling me that you have not felt love, I mean true love? It can't be programmed because when one feels it, it is an indescribable feeling that cannot be taught or programmed. Human emotions are not taught they come naturally. You don't go to a school and get taught how to properly act angry, or how to properly be sad. Your parents never teach you how to be excited, or how to love, it comes naturally it is not taught.
People having limbs replaced has nothing to do with the human soul. The soul is not something you can touch physically. This brings me right back to my original point, if we create the device how can it possibly have a soul? The device does not live, it can only learn what we teach it, and in a very limited capacity at that. They cannot problem solve unless we teach them how to. Even a chimp can problem solve without being programmed or taught.