Final Battle for Damascus? Bashar has fled to the Alawite Mountains.

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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 05:18 AM
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Well that was quiet surprising i can reassure you i did not see that coming, i think either the Paid Terrorist Rebels, Intel groups the mainstream i think you guys are in a in what i call Damage Control as i noted here by this writer.
Damage Control

Yup I think John admitted it
and worst of it all this thread even proves it.

John why cant your guys get through your heads yet? we aren't buying the propaganda. It might have worked 10 years but people and all of us we aren't buying it anymore.

john carter why hasn't the mainstream news outlets with the likes of CNN,CBC,FOX shown the uninformed public the truth of the war in Kosovo and Bosnia?

Like this video.


Now that i added this video i have to ask you a question are you proud of your government lies towards other countries? the way america has been treating other countries as nothing then mere puppets?

Russia has no bases in the world yet America has at least 500 bases for what purpose? protecting liberties? how could any nation protect liberties through Iron, steel and sword?

There is an old saying that goes,those who live by the sword die by the sword, but isnt that how America has been doing for the least 20 years now?

Come on John use your head.
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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity

Originally posted by michaelbrux
"A nation's leader has the right to defend his interests against an armed revolt, especially when it is admittedly funded and supported by foreign entities that have been messing with his country for years."

I so happy to read that people feel this way.



There is a difference between a Nations Leader who is ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE....and this SCUM BAG who has maintained an IRON GRIP on POWER as his Father also did for Decades.

This is now a Civil War and I do not believe that a DICTATOR FOR LIFE...will ever come out on top during a Civil War. This is a LONG TIME COMING. There is a a Major Shift of Human Concepts going on in the Middle East as most of it has to thank the INTERNET as Social Media Sites have provided the youth of the Middle East with a TASTE of FREEDOM. And they will NEVER GO BACK TO THE WAY THINGS WERE!

This will also happen in IRAN within a YEAR. Iranian Old GUARD Leadership has underestimated the DEMOCRATIC SEEKING YOUTH. Over 70% of the Iranian Population is UNDER 30 YEARS OF AGE. They are Computer Savvy...and via use of Smart Phones and the Internet...they have gained information and support from many a Huge in Number...Massive Iranian American Support Group System.

These Youths are the Future of a Free Iran...and just as in Iraq...there is DIRECT...MILITARY TO MILITARY communication on going between U.S. Military Forces and High Ranking Iranian Military Leadership as the U.S. does not want to Harm a possible new ALLY. It is HIGHLY possible that once the Religious Leadership realizes that their own people are about to take over...that this OLD GUARD RELIGIOUS LEADERSHIP may cause an incident with their Military that would attempt to Make in the eyes of the Iranian Population that the U.S. and Israel are seeking the TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF IRAN. This would be the only way for the OLD IRANIAN LEADERSHIP to rally support and avert their downfall. This is also why the U.S. Policy toward IRAN must be one of patience and restraint...as the ONLY THING preventing an Israeli Attack on Iranian Nuclear Sites is the U.S.

The Iranian Military Leadership is under no illusions of what would be the result of a U.S. Military Response to a last ditch effort via attack by the Old Guard...this is why DIRECT MILITARY TO MILITARY COMMUNICATION IS SO IMPORTANT...as the Iranian Military can be the protector of a FREE IRAN...or CEASE TO EXIST. The U.S. Military prefers them to stay in existence minus the Nuclear Program. Split Infinity


I know. When I wrote that, while I was serious, I didn't elaborate and reveal that I no longer consider Assad to be the leader of Syria or any other nation. He's made it quite clear that leadership of Syrians is not his cup of tea. I don't consider his Army to be the Army of Syria, but Assad's personal security force.

I consider Assad to be a occupying Damascus, just as his father occupied Beirut. The man is quite obviously an impostor.

The real leader of Syria is yet to be revealed and this person has the right to do what he must to remove the occupier.

ordering Tanks and attack Helicopters and jet fighters and bombers to fire on syrians within ones own capital city and countryside are not the actions of the owner of the house. and Assad's al qaeda terrorists claim is thwarted by the Red Cross declaring the conflict to be a civil war...civil war meaning each side in the fight have a legitimate claim to control the state; al qaeda would never have a legitimate claim to anything.

eventually, assad's gonna have every bone in his body broken for what he is doing.


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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

I wonder what would happen if the Shia's funded an armed revolt agains the Sunni government in Saudi Arabia, the citizens of Saudi Arabia would get slaughtered so bad that the massacres in Syria would look like a walk in the park. Luckily for the Saudis they are buddy buddy with Uncle Sam so they don't have to worry about too much foreign intervention.



An armed Shi'a revolt in Saudi Arabia would be crushed like so many bugs. I won't say "it can't happen", because it has been attempted in the past - bu they were crushed like so many bugs, right, wrong, or indifferent. The primarily Sunni Saudis and the predominantly Shi'a Iranians have been throwing a cold war in the Middle East for years and years, which I'm sure is factoring in to this current round of unrest, which is but one series of battles in an ongoing war that has been going on practically forever.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by becomingaware

Originally posted by michaelbrux

Originally posted by becomingaware
Whoever put an AK47 in the hands of the young boy in the above picture. That is the enemy.


its so hard days dealing with young men; who's only command from God is to defend his home and fight by the side of his brothers and their fathers.

maybe he's just small for his age and he's really 17...

that's what i'm inclined to believe.



Im inclined to believe that the older Man escorting the kid, should be the one with the rifle. If anything the young boy, should be at home with his family, armed and protecting them. Not in the middle of the fight.

..but maybe you're right. Maybe the kid is fighting for a just cause. ..A shame really though, I'm sure their are other grown men that could take his spot. We have all witnessed in history where thugs have armed young boys and thrown them into a fight. Boys that have had bombs strapped to them, or a shoe shine boy with grenades in his kit.


Been going on forever. I've a Syrian friend who fought against the Israelis at the Golan Heights when he was 10. It's not our war, and it's not up to us to tell them how to run it.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 08:52 AM
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The truth of Bosnia? The leaders are all facing crimes against humanity.


Ratko Mladic back in court for genocide trial after health care forced adjournments


Source

The sordid truth,
Bosnian genocide Source


Perpetrators

Slobodan Milosevic of Serbia and Franjo Tudjman of Croatia used public media in their respective domains and turned television and radio into effective propaganda tools that intensified tensions between Serbs and Croats while demonizing the Muslims. At the same time, they were suppressing independent media advocating for multi-ethnic coexistence. Milosevic, who is a declared war criminal, aimed at reviving dark memories of World War II, Ustasa’s (Croatian Nazi-like movement) killing of Serbs, Jews, and Gypsies. He did so by exhuming mass graves of Serbs and using those as proof that the Croats are enemies thus legitimizing his attacks on their lands.

Tudjman, who also carries the title of a declared war criminal, “rehabilitated” the genocidal Ustasha regime. He proposed that the new Croatian coat of arms look similar to the one used by Ustaha’s in WWII. He was even a proponent of renaming streets in Croatia after Ustasha leaders.

Radovan Karadzic, president of the illegitimate Bosnian Serb Republic, joins the other two as a declared war criminal. Bosnian Serbs operated under his leadership but he denied their involvement in the genocide.

The Serbian perpetrators came in primarily through Eastern and Northern Bosnia. The Serb paramilitary units crossed the rivers into Bijeljina and began a campaign of terror. Their use of force, intimidation, and provocation was aimed at partitioning Bosnia and displacing non-Serbs from mixed areas even if Serbs were a minority there. They murdered defenseless civilians and drove the rest from their homes and businesses, which were then looted and destroyed. All sides of the conflict committed the so-called “ethnic cleansing” but the scale and intensity at which the Serbs did it made it a clear genocide against Musims. Serbs were specifically targeting intellectuals, professionals, and political leaders in an attempt to eradicate the Bosnian Muslim culture. The UN Genocide Convention, in its definition of genocide, considers this an integral part of a crime on a specific ethnic group.


Everyone knows the truth in Bosnia but you bat it around like there is no truth. With that distracting aside put to bed, lets discuss Assad's crimes against humanity here instead.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
"A nation's leader has the right to defend his interests against an armed revolt, especially when it is admittedly funded and supported by foreign entities that have been messing with his country for years."

I so happy to read that people feel this way.

Well, that is the way of things. He has right to suppress a revolt, they have right to support revolt. This very thing happened in America in 1861, don't forget. Something has to be done. I thought this was a United Nations job, but they are helpless, as usual, in truth they should be disbanded, and a new International Police Force instituted. Let's just face it, people, we are too barbaric to be able to govern ourselves, we have to have something higher than us to make laws and enforce them, while [we] (humanity) stumble about, killing each other. We need something better......
How about Gort?

He only activates when weapons are fired.
The only problem I could foresee would be the programming, and who exactly did the programming.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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Two sources? and all have them have connections to the world elitist organizations, sounds your scared of my facts so you try your best to outflank by posting these sources.

World Without Genocide is a group owned by the united states government. So as it claims.



promotes education and action to protect innocent people, prevent genocide, prosecute perpetrators, and remember those whose lives and cultures have been destroyed by genocide.


As long the perpetrators are those as the mainstream news outlets claims, you do know i am from Bosnia eh? i have seen the truth reality of it.

Serbs weren't the perpetrators.

I guess then the next you would tell me is that milosevic ate babies for dinner. Your sources are weak, i give and shown you the truth whats wrong? truth hurts doesn't it?

Well in that case if you want more sources it will be my pleasure to show you them.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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Since people are giving you likes already without thinking.
Mujahideen In Bosnia - El Mujahid Unit

2:53: How nice TinfoilTP the flag of Jihad.

At least Sky news had guts to show this.
The Hidden Army Of Radical Islam in Bosnia

Bosnia Tunisian Martyr (shahid) Abu Ubai used to film the war battels


Bosnia Connection: Bill Clinton and Islamist ratlines in Bosnia assisted September 11



Want to see there friendly supporters whom which i may add made a tribute.




Bosnian war president chating with terrorists




Got plenty more of sources then that.
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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 


Two sources? and all have them have connections to the world elitist organizations, sounds your scared of my facts so you try your best to outflank by posting these sources.

World Without Genocide is a group owned by the united states government. So as it claims.



promotes education and action to protect innocent people, prevent genocide, prosecute perpetrators, and remember those whose lives and cultures have been destroyed by genocide.


you do know i am from Bosnia eh? i have seen the truth reality of it.



We went through this before, you admitted you were but a child at the time. The only truth you know is what you were told and you ignore all other evidence.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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the programmer would definitely put in a back door so Gort could be hijacked at an appropriate time and used in a guided and enlightened manner.

why do people even bother believing in Karma, when they hate to see it doled out?



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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The terrorists that are seen in the video came from Saudi Arabia,Pakistan, Chechnya all aided by the American government because lets be honest Saudi Arabia after the war in Bosnia has given the president of Bosnia milions of American dollars to construct Ottoman-stone made mosques in Bosnia and a lots more in sarajevo.

During in 2005 during a recent trip to Sarajevo there were more mosques then there are churches how nice isnt it? and thats not all.

The loudspeakers were calling "The Call of the Imam" over and over travelers like myself couldn't sleep because of them.
They usual start at early at dawn and then they did it again in the evening, i don't remember this in the old Bosnia
Bosnia is slowly starting to sound like Saudi Arabia.

an old report
Saudis tied to domineering Wahabi presence in Bosnia

Ever seen a radical mufti?
‘Muslims Should Use the Force of Argument’

5000 Bosnian Muslims rally behind Jihadists

There have been claiming that Bosnia is neither dominantly Muslim nor dominantly Christian country, yet when they put out the estimates that shows us a lot different story.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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I was 6 years old and i pretty much remember it pretty well nice try flanking my argument against me now, that i have shown you the links, sources.

Just twice in my life time i nearly came close to death in Bosnia. So are you accusing me of lying now?
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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by becomingaware

Originally posted by michaelbrux

Originally posted by becomingaware
Whoever put an AK47 in the hands of the young boy in the above picture. That is the enemy.


its so hard days dealing with young men; who's only command from God is to defend his home and fight by the side of his brothers and their fathers.

maybe he's just small for his age and he's really 17...

that's what i'm inclined to believe.



Im inclined to believe that the older Man escorting the kid, should be the one with the rifle. If anything the young boy, should be at home with his family, armed and protecting them. Not in the middle of the fight.

..but maybe you're right. Maybe the kid is fighting for a just cause. ..A shame really though, I'm sure their are other grown men that could take his spot. We have all witnessed in history where thugs have armed young boys and thrown them into a fight. Boys that have had bombs strapped to them, or a shoe shine boy with grenades in his kit.


Im inclined to believe this is a PROPAGANDA PHOTO>>>>wake up!



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
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I was 6 years old and i pretty much remember it pretty well nice try flanking my argument against me now, that i have shown you the links, sources.

Just twice in my life time i nearly came close to death in Bosnia. So are you accusing me of lying now?
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A six year old child does not qualify as an expert on anything, but maybe you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express (if you even get the joke there). Not qualifying as an expert is not calling someone a liar, just placing the weight of their argument off to the side where it properly belongs.
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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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A six year old child does not qualify as an expert on anything, but maybe you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express (if you even get the joke there). Not qualifying as an expert is not calling someone a liar, just placing the weight of their argument at the bottom of the barrel where it properly belongs.

Really so six year old children don't qualify as an expert on anything? then i guess that applies to those children that have been abused by rapists and had to stand in the court telling them how they were raped in front of judges and from what your post is saying that children aren't experts on anything? thats pretty low of sad statement.

To even suggest that.



Not qualifying as an expert is not calling someone a liar, just placing the weight of their argument at the bottom of the barrel where it properly belongs

While we were fleeing sarajevo, Dud grenades were falling near our vehicle from near the buildings, we wanted to meet up with the unprofor which was in the area, the unprofor weren't one sided.

The unprofor they basically saved civilians from both sides.
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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
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A six year old child does not qualify as an expert on anything, but maybe you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express (if you even get the joke there). Not qualifying as an expert is not calling someone a liar, just placing the weight of their argument at the bottom of the barrel where it properly belongs.

Really so six year old children don't qualify as an expert on anything? then i guess that applies to those children that have been abused by rapists and had to stand in the court telling them how they were raped in front of judges and from what your post is saying that children aren't experts on anything? thats pretty low of sad statement.

To even suggest that.



Not qualifying as an expert is not calling someone a liar, just placing the weight of their argument at the bottom of the barrel where it properly belongs

While we were fleeing sarajevo, Dud grenades were falling near our vehicle from near the buildings, we wanted to meet up with the unprofor which was in the area, the unprofor weren't one sided.

The unprofor they basically saved civilians from both sides.
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You seen dud grenades. That may qualify you to recognize a dud grenade, but nothing more.
A six year old rape victim? Really? That is the saddest example of a stawman I seen on ATS to date. It has nothing to do with anything here. It is only an example of a witness, anyone with sensory perception can be a witness, but that still does not make them an expert on any subject.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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Well, things are moving ahead;




17 July 2012 / REUTERS, AMMAN Opposition fighters will intensify attacks inside the Syrian capital and target sensitive security installations in what they call an operation to "liberate Damascus", a rebel commander said on Tuesday, after three days of fierce fighting in the city. Colonel Qassem Saadeddine, spokesman of the joint command of the Free Syrian Army inside Syria, told Reuters via Skype that many fighters arrived in Damascus from several provinces 10 days ago to take part in the operation and more would be sent soon.

"There is no going back. The Damascus battle has priority for us. We have started the operation to liberate Damascus," Saadeddine said, adding the rebels had called their operation "Damascus volcano and Syrian earthquake". For three days rebels and government troops have clashed in the streets of Damascus in the fiercest fighting in the capital since the revolt against President Bashar al-Assad erupted last year, but neither side seems to able to deliver a decisive blow.

"This has been planned for some time now. We sent many groups and fighters to Damascus and its suburbs 10 days ago. We have sent at least 50 groups, each with around 50 fighters," Saadeddine said. "We will hit security buildings. There is major coordination between all military councils regarding this. We will not stop, there is no return." A Free Army officer taking part in the fighting in Midan district, the scene of some of the heaviest clashes in the past three days, said the situation was "really excellent".

The officer, who declined to be named, said the fighters were in control of Midan and succeeded in repelling army attempts to break into the neighbourhod. A video uploaded by opposition activists, aired on al-Jazeera television on Monday, showed men in jeans hiding in sandbagged alleyways, firing rocket-propelled grenades and machineguns. The rebels said they were bracing for a conflict that could last a month. Although they lacked ammunition, they said they had enough weapons to hold their ground and were seizing more arms from Assad's forces across the country. Activists' videos showed rebels seizing tanks and armoured vehicles in the city of Talbiseh, north of Homs, on Tuesday.

"Our fighters are already deployed in sensitive areas in Damascus. They went there knowing they will not leave alive. This is the battle, this is our battle," the FSA officer said. "We are in the heart of Damascus, we have our plans, we even have our withdrawal lines and the lines to evacuate the wounded," he said. A third officer said: "I cannot give details but all in all the situation is good, the regime started this battle and we will finish it."



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Right now, the regime's barbarian media is trying to playdown the assualt as a few terrorists trying to attack a few buildings and are fleeing from the mighty Assadist forces.

It reminds me of the first star wars movie at the climatic end scene.

Death Star General Tarkin's aide :- Sir, our experts had analyzed the Rebellion's fighters assualts, and conclude that the Death Star may face a serious problem. I suggest we prepare to evacuate you and the critical staff to a safe location immediately.

Tarkin:- Flee? Are you mad? In our moment of truimph?

Within minutes, star wars fans knew what happened next.

Damn! George Lucas must either had been an anthropologist or a seer. Sometimes, fiction can be stranger and facts. And facts will be clear within hours, if the ending is as the first movie panned out or there will be an Empire Strikes Back soon.

May the deluded HumanSlayer Assad be in the palace when the Rebellion Free Syrian Army storms in.
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