Breaking: Intense Fighting in Damascus

I dont think they really WANT to end this conflict.
I mean, the rebels have so far gained massive amount of munitions and hardware.
They have made many people defect to them, they are a sizable force.
Surely a co-ordinated and planned attack could end this.

You take 5/6 bus loads of people, dress them in common folk fatigue
Have guns and weapons stored all over the bus and in preplaced cars in the government sector
You have the British and Americans build you 2x car bombs.
1 carbomb goes for the palace gates, the other goes in 20 seconds after to make sure of it.
Then, the busloads pull up, and every man storms the palace.
Even if you dont get Assad, youve shown him its over, and one day he'll get done.
This will force Assad to flee, one thing that always stands out as dictators is that they will not take their own life in a firefight. they will take the easy road!

Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

 

It is not pretending to be 'above it all' to acknowled that we in the west must be equally discerning regarding info from either side' in this civil war.

in this civil war.

[DerepentLEstranger raises eyebrow]


i think it's obvious from that bit of swill
which propaganda trough you partake of

so much for discernment

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

 

It is not pretending to be 'above it all' to acknowled that we in the west must be equally discerning regarding info from either side' in this civil war.

in this civil war.

[DerepentLEstranger raises eyebrow]


i think it's obvious from that bit of swill
which propaganda trough you partake of

so much for discernment

Oh, please do elaborate which sides propaganda you think i am perpetuating.

This is a civil war. Assad says so The UN says so. The red cross says so.

reply to post by stanguilles7


Regardless, you have shown you are predisposed to believe pro-Assad Propaganda, while I am pointing out that an intelligent mind doesnt just accept any 'side' out of hand.

stanguilles7 Didn't you say a while ago that all sides were Propaganda? if so why are you buying and believing the Propaganda by the rebels? So which side are you believing stanguilles7?

reply to post by Agit8dChop


I take you believe the rebel Propaganda? how unsurprising, i have seen on twitter the exaggeration claims made by the rebels, which could have never been verified, for example.

Well from the twitter chat there were a lots rumors which were never confirmed on around the battle in Damascus, for example on twitter.

The ‪#FSA‬ is getting closer to the ‪#Assad‬'s Palace in ‪#Damascus‬. ‪#Syria

User

Ahmad H. Aggour tweet send 50m.

So ok 50M later and no updates on that the same user also claimed.

#Assad‬ continues to **** in his pants. ‪#Syria‬ ‪#Damascus

The same user claimed and stated the following

Word that the ‪#FSA‬ has taken the Airforce Intelligence building in ‪#Damascus‬. ‪#Syria‬'s getting closer to freedom.

No confirmations at all, this isnt the first time that the activist have lied about the rumors, just on the july 14 to 15.

( The President of the Political Security Branch in #Damascus has DEFECTED)

That has not happened nor has it been confirmed by anyone yet the mainstream news web outlets like the dailykos took it so hard and reported as the truth.

Another fake twitter user by the name of riad al asaad @fsa_hq_syria claimed that the SNC confirmed the defection, if the SNC really did confirm the defection, it would have been the biggest news headline in the Arab news outlets.

But two days have passed that has not happened, so why should we believe the activists now on whats happening in Damascus and the claims been on twitter?

Most of these users are connected with the united states government as i noticed on who they are following on twitter.


And tell me this why do rebel supporters have a thing for CNN Anderson Cooper??? Again most of those users and there usernames are fake.

Like with the twitter user account of riad al asaad, you think the real riad al asaad would give all information to the public that easily? text and click??

All these tweets are nothing more then exaggeration. Just like the last time.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

all these "evil dictators" seem to have in common the
ability of keeping many diverse peoples united as nations

for all we know, assad might actually be a saint

I agree that this situation needs to be seen in the proper geopolitical and historical context: namely, that since World War 2, the region has been the scene of constant geopolitical struggles between larger powers. Today, that trend continues (we only need to look at the situation in the UN Security Council to get a clue) and is in fact being exarcebated by this crisis.

Assad is probbaly not "a saint", but neither is he a "brutal dictator" as the MSM, and some here, are claiming. He is what political sicentists would term an "autocratic ruler" - to call him a "dictator" is an exaggeration and those who use this term only demonstrate their lack of knowledge about Syria's political system and what life is like over there. Autocratic rule, coupled with some form of representative government at national level and strong local authorities, has historically been the norm in the arab world (and indeed, much of the rest of the world). And this form of rule indeed has one great quality: it is stable and particularly effective in ethnically diverse regions.

(now onto the thread...)

That is precisely why, for the west, fuelling divisions within the population has always been a choice strategy to destabilize these countries and promote their own geopolitical interests. Just take a look at Green Beret training and specialities and you will quickly understand that "deep infiltration" is no conspiracy theory. The US, and other nations, have been using specialist units for decades in order to foment political change in other countries. That's what they do.

Of course, that doesn't mean the "revolution" is not "real". To an extent, there really is an aspiration, by at least some syrians, to get rid of Assad and have democracy and what not. But let's all be mighty carefull and not generalize a people's aspirations based on MSM reporting!

My reading of the situation is this: the US, UK, France and an alliance of Gulf countries (GC) are actively destabilizing Syria. They have fomented, aided and fuelled resentment against the Syrian government and use the MSM to paint a grossely biased and exaggerated picture of what is happening there which only reflects their interests. The reason they are destabilizing the Syrian government mainly have to do with Iran. Syria is, in fact, the only country known to have a defense pact with Iran; geographically, it is also the gateway to Iran from NATO/US bases in Turkey and Iraq. For the West, there is therefore a need to cripple Iran's ally as much as possible before the final blow there. For the GC countries, it's just another way of curbing Iran's influence and furthering theirs.

The problem, of course, is that Russia has a base in Tartus, which is the Russian's only access to the Mediterannean (wich is why they are unlikely to let it go). Unbeknown to many, this base is also, since its refitting in 2009, a base of Russia's Strategic Rocket Forces ( yes - Russia's next gen nuclear ICBMs). Which is why Putin is dispatching a whole battle group over there at present.

IMO, the situation is geopolitically tense between the West and Russia on this one, but it's mainly a game of poker. It's all down to who will blink first and back down. BTW, let's not believe anything the ICRC (Red Cross) says - I can tell you these people are infested by the CIA.

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by MidnightTide

 

Yes but this is all propaganda from the rebels and the western rebel sympathizers.... if you notice here:

Syrian Truth l Addounia TV facebook page l Damascus

It has been circulated on many gossipy facebook pages that armed men occupied Damascus International Airport . Addounia facebook correspondent directly from the Airport refutes such rumors which aim at lowering the spirit of the Syrian people

www.facebook.com...

we have seen too many lies from these people (rebels) IMHO... we are at ATS to deny ignorance, not to regurgitate propaganda!

edit on 15-7-2012 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)

Yup, it's easy to spot another Baghdad Bob believer a mile away.
Some won't believe any of this until Assad is hanging from a lamp post like Mousilini.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

all these "evil dictators" seem to have in common the
ability of keeping many diverse peoples united as nations

for all we know, assad might actually be a saint

Didn't know "Saints" needed interrogation centers and employed brutality to maintain their sainthood.
That comment sticks out as the most ignorant of the week but it is only Monday so I doubt you will stay on top.

Just an hour ago on one news broadcast they told of this all out battle in Damascus, they then switched over to a reporter on the ground in central Damascus, she was standing on a bridge with cars stuck in traffic jams behind her, people walking casually, a mother with a pram and one woman even licking an ice-cream while pausing to catch a glimps of the tv crew, it all looked a pretty normal city scene only with the reporter telling how the city is in war, apart from all the grainy footage and distant camera shots of smoke, I ain't yet seen proper footage of a city battle, this reminds me very much of Lybia. I can't trust the crap they tell us on tv, haven't done for few years, question everything

www.telegraph.co.uk... Nawaf-Fares.html not directly related to the fighting in damascuss but i figured this was relevent to the greater syria issue

Yesterday, in a wide-ranging interview conducted by telephone from Qatar, where he has now sought refuge, Mr Fares made a series of devastating claims against the Assad regime, which he said was determined to be "victorious" whatever the cost. * Jihadi units that Mr Fares himself had helped Damascus send to fight US troops in neighbouring Iraq were involved in the string of deadly suicide bomb attacks in Syria * The attacks were carried on the direct orders of the Assad regime, in the hope that it could blame them on the rebel movement * President Assad, who had a "violent streak" inherited from his father, was now living "in a world of his own"

well those statements true or otherwise wont really help the situation especialy with him apparently willing to talk about how syria sent fighters to complicate things for us in Iraq who then later were alegedly responsable for the recent suicide bombings

and the defector offers this opinion of assad for what it is worth

"He was saying that we should insist that this is a conspiracy from the West aimed at Syria," Mr Fares said. "I spoke with the local sheikhs and leaders, but the people's response was that you cannot trust Assad. "I think he does believe it is a conspiracy against him, but he is now living in a world of his own." However, on the question of whether Mr Assad was directing the violence personally, Mr Fares was equivocal. On the one hand, he claimed the Syrian leader was being "led" by powerful members within his own family, and also his Russian backers. On the other, he pointed out that President Assad's late father, Hafez, had been equally ruthless during his rule, which included the massacre of more than 10,000 people during a Muslim Brotherhood uprising in the city of Hama in 1982.

reply to post by DarthPhobos


maybe the traffic jam was caused by everyone in one part of the city heading to the hills all at the same time.

but you never really know about war unless you are shooting and being shot at.

take a trip to damascus and report back, could you?

when they said assad had moved the chemical weapons, i assumed he did so because a real threat was emerging that could jeopardize them...perhaps we are seeing what he anticipated days ago.

but i understand your skepticism...many people don't accept reality until its too late to change it to ones favor.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

all these "evil dictators" seem to have in common the
ability of keeping many diverse peoples united as nations

for all we know, assad might actually be a saint

Didn't know "Saints" needed interrogation centers and employed brutality to maintain their sainthood.
That comment sticks out as the most ignorant of the week but it is only Monday so I doubt you will stay on top.

have you seen those centers? have you witnessed any brutality yourself?

"it was on TV/YT..."

yeah, right

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

all these "evil dictators" seem to have in common the
ability of keeping many diverse peoples united as nations

for all we know, assad might actually be a saint

Didn't know "Saints" needed interrogation centers and employed brutality to maintain their sainthood.
That comment sticks out as the most ignorant of the week but it is only Monday so I doubt you will stay on top.

have you seen those centers? have you witnessed any brutality yourself?

"it was on TV/YT..."

yeah, right

Human Rights Watch Link to Syian crimes against humanity evidence

Former detainees and defectors have identified the locations, agencies responsible, torture methods used, and, in many cases, the commanders in charge of 27 detention facilities run by Syrian intelligence agencies

Your ignorance is tremendous but the facts are collected and will be acted upon.

reply to post by michaelbrux


Unlike yourself my sense of reality is not what the news outlets feed me, I tend to go out doors and see life with my own eyes, its your choice to believe what they tell you, just remember how lybia went down with made up scenes and stories, its playing out exactly the same in syria with a very similar script.

I see you mentioned chemical weapons, are you serious?? I think you have gone to the other side fella, Syria posses no threat to you or I, just like the african countries riddled with war, but yet we dont see them on our news, why because they dont have anything we need. Its all bull and the point of it is so they can convince you and I that we in the west need to go and save the civillians. The population of syria were happy until the west armed some rebels at the border and sent them in. Look at the weapons they have, they arnt old soviet pieces of kit..

reply to post by DarthPhobos


i'm not sure how what I wrote provoked this response from you.

i don't know anything of the west providing weapons to FSA, should I believe it just because you say so?

all i'm inclined to accept is that a major event is unfolding in Syria. and that assad feared losing control of his massive chemical weapons arsenal, so he moved them.

this is a lot like Libya, except for the formal presence of western forces.

when the book are closed on this event...it'll be remembered as the Syrian Civil War that toppled Assad.

this has nothing to do with anyone else.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

all these "evil dictators" seem to have in common the
ability of keeping many diverse peoples united as nations

for all we know, assad might actually be a saint

Didn't know "Saints" needed interrogation centers and employed brutality to maintain their sainthood.
That comment sticks out as the most ignorant of the week but it is only Monday so I doubt you will stay on top.

have you seen those centers? have you witnessed any brutality yourself?

"it was on TV/YT..."

yeah, right

Human Rights Watch Link to Syian crimes against humanity evidence

Former detainees and defectors have identified the locations, agencies responsible, torture methods used, and, in many cases, the commanders in charge of 27 detention facilities run by Syrian intelligence agencies

Your ignorance is tremendous but the facts are collected and will be acted upon.

LL
who's being ignorant here?
from your link i gather hearsay is acceptable.
what?
couldn't take the time to link to the equivalent of the abu gahrib pics?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

wahabbis who are being armed and funded by the West......

edit on 15-7-2012 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)

Are you sure about that? What about the 'wahhabi' countries? They have purchased tonnes of weapons from the west. Could they be providing the goodies?

reply to post by OpinionatedB


Yes, it is quite funny that the US et al are fighting the Al-Queda in Afghanistan, but helping them in Syria! Are they the bad guys or not? Or does their badness stop as soon as they leave Afghanistan? If that's the case, why aren't more people in foul moods when in Afghanistan? Is it something in the water?

Originally posted by XeroOne

Apparently the Red Cross said it's a civil war.

Proof that the Syrian unrest is a NATO/US led insurgency?

Ok, I'k in.

I really do hate when threads like this devolve into a pissing match between who can be the most critical of propaganda. Unless you have been hanging out in syria the past few months, you don't know either!

I get that it's beneficial to be prudent and not jump to conclusions, but if some of you take your words seriously then there isn't anything going on in that part of the world...
wait... syria probably doesn't even exist since I've only heard about it through books and t.v. and the internet... all propaganda sources! I'm not going to fall for it this time, nope.

If you feel the need to throw in your 2 cents and declare the source fishy then do it, but don't defend your point as if it's the utter truth. We get that you are jaded and know it all, but have some humility FFS.
my favorite ignorant proud move is when someone implies they are less fooled because they don't get all their news from the MSM and actually get out and see the world.... no you don't. Unless syria is just "in the neighborhood"