What is this?

That's pretty cool.

There is no doubt in my mind that the ancients were a lot more technologically advanced than we are told, I mean look how they are depicted they don't even seem human.

We will probably never know...

Kindda off topic but,
those Cylinder seal's are about an inch long. alittle bigger then your finger nails. and what thats a picture of is the impression. (you guys most likely already knew this) So... There were ALOT of them, and I mean a whole lot. Infact that we have only really seen a fraction to the whole of how many existed. For all we know there might really be one that shows a clear as day picture of an alien, but I dought we would be so lucky. So consider for a minute what I'm gettig at here, these tiny, tiny images should raise questions. Like, why in the world would they make them so small? Wouldn't it have been easier to make them legable in creating, instead of micro sketching? I guess these questions always bothered me. But, on the one your showing I have no clue what it could be, but take in to account the scale of it, and maybe it was nothing more then the creater sneezing when they were making it.

Originally posted by LUXUS

Ancient Sumerian clay tablet showing strange looking device with spheres suspended by wires connected to rods with pointed tips. Looks like some kind of technology?

What is more curious to me, is the "arcs" or "sparks" that appear to be surrounding the "Centered" Person. The kneeling attendant seems to be aside the main three characters who all are "on the floor" so to speak

I does bear a strong resemblance to a mini "Hydro Grid" system, although that doesn't seem plausible.

Ciao

Shane

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Here is where I disagree with Marduk, although I do not question his scholarship, but the djinn are both good and bad, always some djinn who are 'good' and others who are 'evil' also, djinn are an entirely different creation, ie: created from smokeless fire, and the malaikah (angels) are beings created from light...

The idols were never made into creature or beings.... they were always just that, idols and could do no good or bad, because quite simply they were nothing

Monotheism did not take any part of the teachings of the pagans and try to adapt or incorporate them into the religion....

That said, some may have come from the Sumerian religion, as there are some commonalities in certain areas, but apparently this can be said for all three of the modern monotheistic relgions. If you go by the teaching of Islam, that all religions were once the same religion, and all became twisted over time, then this might explain the commonalities....

Originally posted by LUXUS

Ancient Sumerian clay tablet showing strange looking device with spheres suspended by wires connected to rods with pointed tips. Looks like some kind of technology?

I don't care so much about the tiki torches.

What I find interesting is the person kneeling, on thin air, a foot off the ground.

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What I find interesting is the person kneeling, on thin air, a foot off the ground.

Maybe they have become "enlightened".

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First electic chair.
second

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reminds me of the lights used by Egyptians inside the pyramids:

www.world-mysteries.com...

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Whilst I do think that Egyptian wall relief depicts technology I don’t agree that it is a light bulb. First thing is that people assume that thing was made of glass however I don’t think the ancient Egyptians had or were using glass until much later.

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I thought the Kaba the holiest shrine in Islam was originally dedicated to a fertility goddess. People used to dance around it in antiquity wearing no clothes hoping it would grant them fertility.

Originally posted by LUXUS

Ancient Sumerian clay tablet showing strange looking device with spheres suspended by wires connected to rods with pointed tips. Looks like some kind of technology?

Shower Spray technology for bathrooms. Instead of hanging it on top, they were held up by stands.

Originally posted by zroth
What I find interesting is the person kneeling, on thin air, a foot off the ground.

Its a kodak moment. The person was actually jumping, and the moment when (s)he was in mid-air... "CLICK"

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
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That said, some may have come from the Sumerian religion, as there are some commonalities in certain areas, but apparently this can be said for all three of the modern monotheistic relgions. If you go by the teaching of Islam, that all religions were once the same religion, and all became twisted over time, then this might explain the commonalities....

edit on 15-7-2012 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)

I would also tend to agree with this premise, but as some know, it would be from a more Biblical view, than one I would have based on Islam alone. The three faiths all Originated through the Books of Moses, and Abraham.

Now, with that said, Marduk could argue the Assyrian and Sumerian predate the Islamic, and Hebrew side of this, which basically is truthful, but from a skewed perspective, just as I have a skewed perspective.

But yes, I would agree completely that there was one form of worship, on this Planet at one point. The common back drop and structure is similar in most forms of worship. The Ancients had a firm grasp on the practices associated with this one form of worship around this planet. It is the varying deities and gods and their touches and tweeks that makeup the differences.

Assyria has theirs gods and deities, as does Sumeria, Egypt, Babylon, and the many other cultures such as those of India, China, and the Americas for that matter. But they have the basic concepts of that worship with a place to meet with GOD generally found upon a Mountain, When to meet on the High or Holy days and When to Sacrifice and the involvement surrounding that as some examples. That is why we see common features spread around this planet mimicking these basics. Altars upon structures aligned to the heavenly processions.

Being opinionated as I am, I would suggest this would be due to the lack of Original Thought found within the lessor gods and deities. They sought to be as GOD, and amended the original worship to center upon them, apposed to GOD, their Father. They could only follow what they knew before they choose to leave their place of habitation to come to earth.

And again, this doesn't even consider the fact that what we know in a recorded fashion, is based solely upon what has occur since the "Great Flood", and the slow climb of mankind back from the brink of elimination. Here Marduk would agree it was within the "Cradle of Civilization" that we see this climb of mankind exhibited. It may also be the reason why some defend the premise of Original Worship being bent upon the lessor gods and deities and that Monotheistic worship came "later" as some offshoot.

But we know very little of what was washed away from the landscape, prior to that Flood. From the records that do speak of that period, it appears that may actually be a good thing, all things considered.

Ciao

Shane

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Nice pic!
Whats that device on top?
Looks like a satellite / ISS, though I'm sure it is something else.

Originally posted by Hanslune
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Here is the information on that cylinder seal I received by email. So not Sumerian at all but Assyrian

fairly standard, its a Neo Assyrian (934BCE-609BCE), representation of the king of heaven, in this case it shows the two gods Tammuz and Gishzida either side who guard the gateway to Heaven. You can tell that straightaway because they both have wings, the Assyrians put wings on all their creatures of heaven, to show how they were able to travel there and Tammuz and Gishzida are always depicted as twins. The God Ashur, figure on left (king of heaven) who is surrounded by five stars representing the five known classical planets:-
Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn the two poles are Assyrian style standards, they are very distinctive, here is a better picture

...normally there is an image in the circular part, but this cylinder seal being only a couple of inches wide, it was just not possible for their artisans to fit an image in there. That is why the pole terminates in a point, because in real life that part was stuck into the ground. The human figure shown kneeling is a head priest (because he is bald), who is shown praising the king of heaven, the line with the semi circle is the roof of heaven. The entire flimsiness of the structure is supposed to remind the viewer of tents, which is a house that is capable of movement, which is how they imagined the heavens, never static, as above, so below

cylinder seals always represent well known aspects of mythology that were so popular to certain individuals that they used an image of them to sign/stamp their business contracts. They weren't the place to see experimental technology, because the image had to be known by the artisan who was commissioned to make it.

We thank Marduk for his rapid answer!

edit on 15/7/12 by Hanslune because: Edited to fix the link to the image

ATS member Marduk? Former AtlantisRising Marduk?

If so, you referred to Marduk in an earlier post as "she". That is interesting. I have not met as many people as caustic as Marduk on line.

This seal is interesting. But, as Hanslune is cautioning, there is a well documented understanding of Sumerian/Assyrian imagery. Having said that, it doesn't mean that some images might be more about a real event and less about artistic renditions of dogma.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

ATS member Marduk? Former AtlantisRising Marduk?

If so, you referred to Marduk in an earlier post as "she". That is interesting. I have not met as many people as caustic as Marduk on line.

Yes same person and he remembers you bigfatfurrytexan

He tells the following story about their time at the Sitchin section of that website:

new poster : so the annunaki were aliens right?

marduk : no, that was an invention by a person not qualified to make those statements

new poster : no it wasn't, Sitchin said it

..............

marduk : have you ever read any books on Mesopotamia

new poster : yes, I've read everything sitchin ever wrote

marduk: AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHH make it stop, make it stop


...... week in week out it was the same thing

You'll note that very few 'experts' in specific areas post to forums like this for this reason - what you do get is interested amateurs, like myself, Byrd is one of those exceptions. If say you want to talk to a Egyptologist you'll need to go to specialist forum, etc

This seal is interesting. But, as Hanslune is cautioning, there is a well documented understanding of Sumerian/Assyrian imagery. Having said that, it doesn't mean that some images might be more about a real event and less about artistic renditions of dogma.

Yes that is possible if you believe aliens or gods actually existed and they allowed human artists to 'record' their events. All religions make up images of their gods in actions or use common symbols. A cyclinder seal made today would show the crucifixation, adoration of the Magi, Islamic crescent, Kaaba, Shinto temple, etc

So this conical shaped device with a spark jumping off of it is called "shem-an-na" or in English a fire stone. Apparently the Sumerians venerated them as objects of power.

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Look like STARgates the human seems elevated or ascending. Not sure but COOL Or modify chamber

Originally posted by LUXUS
So this conical shaped device with a spark jumping off of it is called "shem-an-na" or in English a fire stone. Apparently the Sumerians venerated them as objects of power.

The term "shem-an-na" in that context seems to have been an invention of Lawrence Gardiner in "Genesis of The Grail Kings "
en.wikipedia.org...
Lawrence Gardiner you may remember from such claims as "Jesus and Mary Magdalene do married with children" and "The Ark of the covenant is an immortality machine just for Jews"
In reality that item is a spade and the symbol of Bel Marduk. It is the main reason that he is seen as an agricultural god, personally I have always thought it looked more like a spear, it is always associated with the Dragon Tiamat which you can see in that picture just below the spade to the right, where she is making a common appearance as a dog type animal. Remember, these seals are only 2" in diameter, the image you see is magnified and the original artisan was working on a piece of rock with an inscribing tool, so we're not quite at a Hannah Barbera level of illustration on these.

I have searched ETCSL (the most comprehensive listing of translated mesopotamian texts on this planet)
etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk...
for "shem-an-na" and as far as I can see it doesn't exist in any original text. Neither is there any result for "firestone" or for any combination of "fire" and "stone" in any close proximity
I therefore consulted the Electronic Pensylvanian Sumerian dictionary
psd.museum.upenn.edu...
which contains every word ever translated from a Mesopotamian language
The word Shem means "Cone", the word An means "Heaven" and the word Na means "man".

I can't but help think that Gardiner got confused somehow with the term for the conical flat bread that was so popular in the ancient world, was often used as an offering during worship and eaten of course as it seems to match the "cone" part of the word and the application that you have ascribed to it,


the "spark" is actually a snake, a symbol of immortality and knowledge. They appear quite frequently in ancient scenes, you may remember one from a certain garden with a certain man and a rib woman.

The Babylonians didn't have electricity as far as we know, they certainly never wrote about it so it must have been a very big secret, in which case it wouldn't be appearing on a cylinder seal used by a merchant for signing clay documents.
Cylinder seals always show scenes from religion or mythology, they were used for accounting, not for science, without them trade was impossible, as a result they were all commissioned by the owner, who obviously would have used something he was familiar with to mark his presence.




You guys may have heard of me, I used to be a member here but got banned years ago, so please go easy on me as I had to ask really nicely to have my account reactivated in order to spread some knowledge your way. You can blame Hans if you like, the last 20 times I have looked at things said here, have all been at his request. I have been studying the Mesopotamian culture properly for almost a decade and not properly before that for almost three decades, can number several working Assyriologists and Sumerologists amongst my acquaintences and have an extensive personal library of books on the subject although am completely unqualified myself. Just like most of you. Unusually I am also familiar with most of the pseudo history books on these subjects, well yanno, everyone starts somewhere.

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I have to say I have a lot of difficulty in seeing this as a spade, why would you need these small spheres on a spade? I know in Egypt they worshiped a conical stone called the benben stone. What would be your take on the large poles either side of the ziggurat?