Interesting observation: Bill O'Reilly has said that if Bush loses this debate, he loses the election. His reasoning deals with the state of Ohio: before the first debate, Bush was ahead of Kerry in Ohio. After the first debate, the two were tied in Ohio. If Bush loses, expect Kerry to surge ahead in Ohio.

History has shown that no Republican has lost Ohio and won the presidency. There are no other places for Bush to make up for Ohio's lost electoral votes. So therefore, lose the debate and lose the election.

We shall see. The Duelfer report is sure to be hot topic number one in the debate. Amazing that it should be released with less than a month to go before the election.

The Duelfer report, as well as lower-than-expected job growth in Sept. will certainly give Kerry fresh ammunition to go after the Bush administration.

I expect tonight's debates to rated as close to a tie, much like the vice-presidential debate. The only problem I see is that, if Bush manages to come out with a tie, his people will spin that into a win for the Republicans.

Will definitely be interesting to watch. Bush can't afford another shameful showing on the national stage.

The only problem I see is that, if Bush manages to come out with a tie, his people will spin that into a win for the Republicans.

With a name like W, I woulda thought you'd be happy about that (just kidding).

The job numbers are expected to come out today, 96K vs 150K. I thought they were a closely guarded secret. Reminds me of the Akroyd/Murphy movie "Trading Places".

Hm....what happened to Nerdling's thread?

Oh well. I guess I'll just have to post my post-debate analysis here.

While I am an ardent INDEPENDANT, my view is Bush better come out SWINGING and never stop or he is toast.

If he allows Kerry to walk all over him again it's pretty much overwith as close as they are in the polls, IMHO...

Sad part is, it's simply nopt the man's nature to be that way so it's going to appear forced. Come to think of it though, that may actually get his point across better.


I am looking way forward to watching this for the PURE entertainment value.
m...

The debates are set to begin in less than two minutes. Undecided voters will be asking the questions for this debate.

Originally posted by FredT
The debates are set to begin in less than two minutes. Undecided voters will be asking the questions for this debate.

Monkey in da house... Go George.

Whoops, wrong thread... Darn monkey brain.

[edit on 8/10/2004 by Mirthful Me]

Originally posted by Springer
While I am an ardent INDEPENDANT, my view is Bush better come out SWINGING and never stop or he is toast.

If he allows Kerry to walk all over him again it's pretty much overwith as close as they are in the polls, IMHO...

*snipped bottom*

He tried I think. But Kerry pivoted Bush back on the defensive.

It's an epic battle so far.

You're on the defensive....

No, you are.

I'm partisan, but my eyes spy Kerry ahead. I mean all he has to do is not let Bush win to keep his momentum. We shall see.

PS - Bush cutaways not flattering. Twitch. Wink. Repeat myself

PS - Bush cutaways not flattering. Twitch. Wink. Repeat myself

He's also winking his eye at many people in the audience.

MK

At one point, I thought Kerry was going to begin to cry. His voice quivered and his facial muscles twitched. This was when Bush began to expose his Senatorial record for what it is. From that point on, Kerry was on the defensive and ended up on the ropes.

I guess I'm in the minority here, but I think Bush kicked Kerry's behind tonight. I thought that Bush did an excellent job on the environment question. Most people didn't know about all of the Bush policies on environment. I would certainly say he is environment friendly compared to past Republican presidents. Minus Teddy R. of course.

I also thought Bush did a good job of pointing out Kerry's record. Bush does so much better in the town-hall style. However, I think Bush bit it on his last question. He should have thought out an aswer to that question before the debate.

All in all, I think the score is tied 1-1.

Bush thinks he is doing a better job on the environment because he redefines what pollutants are. Mercury is no longer a pollutant, therefore the air is cleaner?

I must give Bush kudos for a performance that is far above the previous. I was pleased to see his eagerness to defend his position, at the same time recognizing that much like some in here, that eagerness sometimes manifests itself in personal attack and not at addressing the issue at hand. All in all, I thought he was as commendable as he could be and I believe he blew it again on his response to what three mistakes he has made. Reading between the lines, I take his answer to mean those republicans who have currently now towed the party line. His one chance was tonight, to say; ladies and gentlemen, I recognize that some things could have been done differently, and from now on they will be, but he took the infallible road again.

I watched Kerry give a speech yesterday and for the first time thought he appeared confident and presidential. Tonight he came across as even more so. The debate was very good in that a real debate existed this evening, each man eager to counter the other. Bush however seemed sheepish on several occasions when Kerry struck a nerve, while Kerry exuded confidence. Bush lost his composure somewhat on question 6, which plays against him as he appeared almost feral.

Frankly, both men surprised me in how they dealt with the audience. Kerry never missed a beat in addressing the questioner by name, Bush forgot to do that by the 3rd question. Kerry however insulted the audience at one point with regard their income brackets, I suppose that will come back to haunt him.

I actually rated every response this debate, based not on whether the answers appealed to me, but whether they answered the question adequately, and in that regard. Kerry was far ahead. If anyone still claims to not know what Kerry’s plan are then I can only state it is because they do not want to know.



[edit on 10/8/04 by SomewhereinBetween]

This is getting ridiculous, it's obvious that people who want john kerry to win are going to say he won the debate and the people who want george W bush to win are going to say he won the debate...

from an outsider perspective I would say Kerry won the first debate and I would say Bush barely won this debate.

Cheney definitely won his debate.

I'm going to say Kerry is going to be the next president,from an outsider perspective.